<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> >>Well, if you have such a problem with paying their prices, why didn't you come up with the undercover YEARS ago?????<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Umm, mostly because I’m just not that smart. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Actually, others have. I’ve seen lots of piano backs covered with speaker cloth years before DC offered it. For appearance enhancement only, of course. :^)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <u1:PersonName u2:st="on">Dean May</u1:PersonName>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></u1:City> <u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</u1:State></st1:State>  <u1:PostalCode u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</u1:PostalCode></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></u1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Avery Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:33 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> Subject: RE: Data logger<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Dean, Well, if you have such a problem with paying their prices, why didn't you come up with the undercover YEARS ago????? >:-} Then you could be collecting all those high dollar fees!!!! Avery At 12:22 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote: <o:p></o:p> A good point, Mike, but it's actually more like $20-$25 per unit. Consider that if I can get the materials for less than $10, what could DC get them for? Probably around $5. This puts the markup to us at around 700%. I feel a little gouged by that price. It makes me wonder how much they are gouging on the rest of their stuff, which it seems lately has gone through the roof. Remembering complete system prices used to be around $130 I priced a replacement humidistat and tank on a grand for $200. When I ordered the replacement I was very surprised to learn my cost was about $175- just for the tank and humidistat. I'm not sure when DC's patent rights expire, but when they do I suspect there will be some Asian knock offs for a whole lot less money. I love DC systems and have actively promoted them for many years. I and also appreciate the high level of technical support provided on the rare times I needed it. But brand loyalty will only take me so far when it comes to providing my customers with I feel is the best value for their money.    Dean Dean May             cell 812.239.3359 PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">IN</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Mike Spalding Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:49 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: Data logger You could also consider the research, innovation, and real world performance improvements introduced by Dampp-Chaser over the last decade, not to mention their outstanding warranty technical support, and decide if you want to support that activity, or stiff them for, what , about $10 less  per unit? just my 2 cents Mike paul bruesch wrote: > I do believe in the concept of intellectual property rights... but I > also believe there are limitations on what can properly be defined as > such. A piece of cloth falls outside those limitations, IMO. Most > assuredly I do NOT derive my moral code from any gov't entity, nor > from any other organized entity... and as a result I'm generally > considered to be a pretty decent guy. And I drive a VW, not a Fiat (HA!) > > Paul > > On 4/29/07, *Dean May* <deanmay@pianorebuilders.com > <<a href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com" eudora=autourl> mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>>> wrote: > >     If you believe in the concept of "intellectual" property rights, >     if you derive your moral code from the state's fiat law, and if >     you sell an undercover as part of a humidity control system, then >     yes, you need to buy your material from DC. > >      > >     *Dean* > >     Dean May             cell 812.239.3359 > >     PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 > >     <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">IN</st1:State>  <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >     *From:* pianotech-bounces@ptg.org >     <<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>> >     [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org >     <<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>>] *On Behalf Of *paul bruesch >     *Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:23 PM >     *To:* <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> >     *Subject:* Re: Data logger > >      > >     So what are the implications of this?  Does it mean we have to buy >     undercovers from DC? That's a little like Ford saying you need to >     buy your oil from the dealer (OK, so Ford doesn't have a patent on >     the use of oil to prevent engine seizure...) But seriously, if we >     install an undercover, is it "supposed" to come from DC? > >     Paul Bruesch >     <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Stillwater</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MN</st1:State></st1:place> > >     On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:35:15, *Don* < pianotuna@accesscomm.ca >     <<a href="mailto:pianotuna@accesscomm.ca" eudora=autourl> mailto:pianotuna@accesscomm.ca</a>>> wrote: > >     Hi John, > >     DC has a patent on using bottom covers to control humidity. It's >     not about >     the materials is about intellectual property. > >      > ><o:p></o:p> </div> </body> </html>