<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: "Dead Keys - Noisy Hammers"</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16441" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I should have read the message, I was just replying about the springs. I assumed (one should never assume), that the problem had been determined to be the springs.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Could the noisy hammers, be corfam on the butts?</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Sluggishness, I have normally found to be tight action centres, especially on the Baldwin, Hamiltons.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR><A href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 08, 2007 2:06 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: "Dead Keys - Noisy Hammers"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=RTE>You are asking for help with a symptom that can be caused by many things and interactively, too. Why did you immediately assume it was jack springs? In my experience, that is rarely the problem unless they are broken or really rusty.</DIV> <DIV class=RTE> </DIV> <DIV class=RTE>More likely causes include poor regulation (lost motion or lack thereof); bad hammer, jack, wippen, or butt pinning; slow key return (dirt, foreign objects, warped keys, rusty rail pins, ...); hammers misaligned; and more.</DIV> <DIV class=RTE> </DIV> <DIV class=RTE>I'd start with the keys, then look at regulation, then hammer swing (you can try some Protek or similar, or alcohol shrinking if they are tight). Do you have a copy of Reblitz?<BR><BR>Alan Barnard<BR>Salem, MO<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV class=RTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "Steven Hopp" <HOPPSMUSIC@HOTMAIL.COM> </HOPPSMUSIC@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Received: 6/8/2007 9:33:16 AM<BR>Subject: "Dead Keys - Noisy Hammers"<BR><BR> <DIV> <DIV class=RTE> <P>Hello,</P> <P>I am new to repair and have a question.  I recently worked on a Baldwin upright with wire lifters.  Several of the keys noted by the customer played but would go "dead" after several strikes.  The jacks were not resetting.  So I replaced those jack springs.  Upon replacing the action (pain in the neck) we found several more "dead keys".  Question:  Is it ever necessary to replace all the jack springs on a piano about 50 years old?  Are there any good reading materials on this action?</P> <P>Also,  A few of the hammers seem to make a rattling noise when they hit the keys.  They seem loose but I can't tell and the noise happens when the strings are struck.  What should I look at to repair this problem?  </P> <P>As an aside - the piano sat dormant for at least 30 years with no care at all in West Texas.</P> <P>Thanks<BR><BR></P> <DIV> </DIV><FONT color=#000000> </FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><BR clear=all> <HR> <A href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2728??PS=47575" target=_top>Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now–it's FREE!</A> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>