<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1543" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.emailstyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } SPAN.emailstyle19 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } SPAN.EmailStyle20 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV>Hi David,</DIV> <DIV>I do not think I could ever offer anything other than if it works its great,</DIV> <DIV>After all I have not been the one to put the block together, have little idea of what other chems have been used,</DIV> <DIV>and have know way of determining how much delaminating has happned over the life of the piano.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One piano I well remember was a Chinese Broadwood. It was only a year old and untunable.</DIV> <DIV>Keith Kopp was the first tech to try a hand at getting the piano to ( Tune up ) He used shims which failed!</DIV> <DIV>When I was asked to work on it the piano was very out of tune < not Keiths fault ></DIV> <DIV>The first pin I took out was one that Keith had used shims on.</DIV> <DIV>The hole was just a bunch of powder with the shims loose in the hole when the pin was removed.</DIV> <DIV>I swabbed the hole with thick or medium CA, well actually my thin that had gotten thicker.</DIV> <DIV>Accelerator was used but was applied with a hammer shank. The pin driven and string pulled up to pitch.</DIV> <DIV>It worked so well that the next day I returned to the store and laid the  piano on its back and treated the block.</DIV> <DIV>Tuned the piano and it was sold that month. Did a store tuning and the pins while not super tight had that nice little click I like to feel as the pin turns in the hole. Before the treatment it was jusr a squashy mushy feeling.</DIV> <DIV>Havent seen the piano since as the buyer went bankrupt and the bank got the piano.</DIV> <DIV>"Somewhere Out There" </DIV> <DIV>Hope to never see the critter again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT Mother Goose Tools <A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> <A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:56 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> Yes I have.  The question was not whether it is an effective treatment, it was whether you would offer a guarantee.  I would not.  If you have to CA the pinblock the block is compromised.  I’m not saying it doesn’t work but I wouldn’t offer a guarantee.  What if the block fails after your application?  While your application would not have caused that you might be held responsible for replacing the block if you offer a “guarantee”.      <DIV> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net www.davidlovepianos.com </DIV> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Barnard Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:27 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Extreme measure? was RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments   David, respectfully, have you tried CA treatment? I only ask because words like "extreme measure" and "salvage a bad situation" make no sense to me, based on years of experience with darned near miraculous results and the many, many similar testamonies of other techs.     It isn't appropriate for a grand piano rebuild, perhaps, but it sure as heck is THE treatment of choice for that old upright, old spinet, or old console when the alternative is a bonfire.   Alan Barnard Salem, MO <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: black 2.25pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV></DIV> Original message From: "David Love" <DAVIDLOVEPIANOS@COMCAST.NET>  </DAVIDLOVEPIANOS@COMCAST.NET>To: "Pianotech List" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>  </PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Received: 7/19/2007 12:15:08 PM Subject: RE: Pricing Pinblock Treatments No warrantee on CA doping of a pinblock (I assume you mean that and not on tuning).  It’s an extreme measure to try and salvage a bad situation.  In fact, I would be explicit that the results cannot be guaranteed.    <DIV> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net www.davidlovepianos.com </DIV> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Joe And Penny Goss Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:10 AM To: tune4u@earthlink.net; Pianotech List Subject: Re: Pricing Pinblock Treatments   <DIV> ??? What kind of warrantee do you offer on your tuning???</DIV> <DIV> Joe Goss RPT Mother Goose Tools <A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> <A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com/">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> ----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> From: <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:56 AM</DIV> <DIV> Subject: Pricing Pinblock Treatments</DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> I'm wondering what folks out there are charging, typically, for CA treating an upright block, maybe expressed as a percent of tuning fee or hourly rates.   Also, are you offering a warrantee?    Alan Barnard Salem, MO   I live in a gated community, but they let me out for good behavior.</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>