It's called ethical profitability. I'd rather find out a good system to use, whether it's piano wire or glue, rather then try to come up with something on a whim and realize the mistake later.<BR><BR><B><I>PAULREVENKOJONES <paulrevenkojones@aol.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3132" name=GENERATOR> <DIV>Matthew:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Being business-like is a good idea, or you're soon out of business. You can't give materials away, so you'll have to come up with some materials component to your fee, be it a dollar or five. Fractionalizing string lengths against the available length in a 1/2 lb coil gets ridiculous. Ethical is what is fair to both you and the client and what lets you get to sleep at night. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paul</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG>"If you want to know the truth, stop having
opinions" (Chinese fortune cookie)</STRONG></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 08/02/07 22:13:16 Central Daylight Time, toddpianoworks@yahoo.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"> <DIV> <STYLE type=text/css> .aolmailheader {font-size:8pt; color:black; font-family:Arial} a.aolmailheader:link {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} a.aolmailheader:visited {color:magenta; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} a.aolmailheader:active {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} a.aolmailheader:hover {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; font-weight:normal} </STYLE> On the subject, how do you charge for the actual wire you use? If I had a 1/2 lb coil of size 20 wire, that I paid $8 for, and I had used so much of it to replace a string, what is the ethical way to charge for this?<BR><BR><B><I>Mike
Spalding <mike.spalding1@verizon.net></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Matthew,<BR><BR>There should be enough room in the gap left by the missing wire to <BR>maneuver a standard mic in there to get a reading, if you're really <BR>careful and observant about making sure the anvil seats squarely on the <BR>string. Depending on which string it is, and the style/size of the <BR>piano, you may need to remove the action to get the mic in. But that <BR>will also make it much easier to replace the string. As for getting <BR>paid for the additional time, make sure the owner understands that if <BR>they had saved the broken string for you, it would not have cost as much.<BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR>Matthew Todd wrote:<BR>> I have a mic. My question was how can you get an accurate reading of <BR>> a string still in the piano.<BR>><BR>> */paul bruesch <PAUL@BRUESCH.NET>/*
wrote:<BR>><BR>> You need to have a mic to measure the wire, but you do not have to<BR>> spend $200. Schaff sells a nice Starrett for $100. It's not the<BR>> digital display type, so you'll need to spend five minutes<BR>> learning how to read it. You could also pick up one from a<BR>> retiring tech, or possibly even buy a cheap one to get started...<BR>> not my recommendation, though. The really expensive wire gauges<BR>> only read whole wire sizes. Convenient, but not too useful.<BR>><BR>> The other day I tuned a S&S M. The A4 note only had one string,<BR>> and when I pointed it out to the owner she said she'd heard a<BR>> clangy noise a week prior. Funny, she didn't notice how<BR>> weak-sounding that one note was, and likewise there was no trace<BR>> of the remains (except the coils and an inch or two on one of the<BR>> pins.)<BR>><BR>> Paul Bruesch<BR>> Stillwater, MN<BR>><BR>> On 8/2/07, *Matthew Todd*
<TODDPIANOWORKS@YAHOO.COM<BR>> <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = MAILTO /><MAILTO:TODDPIANOWORKS@YAHOO.COM>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Last weekend, I tuned a console for a lady and discovered that<BR>> a treble note was missing a string. I pointed it out to her<BR>> and I will be coming back to replace it.<BR>> <BR>> But I got to thinking....there are no traces of this broken<BR>> string anywhere in the piano. Totally vanished. So, I am<BR>> assuming that the previous tuner broke it, and didn't say<BR>> anything. Is that a fair assumption?<BR>> <BR>> Anyway, how do I get a mic reading from the adjacent string,<BR>> or calculate which size wire to use? I know PianoTek sells a<BR>> micrometer than enables you to measure diameters of strings<BR>> still in the piano, but I'd rather not spend $200 on this item<BR>> if I can help it, and I'm assuming this situation doesn't<BR>> happen THAT often.<BR>> <BR>> Any help will be
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