<div> Hi Joe,<br> <br> and E flat are derived from the Like so many other pieces using original tuning systems, although the piece had been performed and even recorded previously, some tuning issues had just not yet been worked out with previous tuners.  To quote the composer from notes he made while we sorted through what it is he actually wants, "C19th and 23rd harmonics of low A [one of the drone notes] with pure octaves below the top of the piano."  Also, "Higher (unplayed) pitches are tuned to lower tones<span style="font-family: monospace;"> (</span>for example A 6, 7, 8 are tuned to A 4's or A 5's octave harmonics<span style="font-family: monospace;"> </span>most are at 4 octaves above, some are at 3<span style="font-family: monospace;">; </span>high Gs are tuned to their corresponding 7th harmonics<tt><tt>;</tt></tt><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> pitches below the drone are tuned as octaves to the drone."<br> <br> Does that answer your question?<br> <br> Alan</font><tt><tt><br> </tt></tt></div> <div> <br> </div> <div> <br> </div> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Joe And Penny Goss <imatunr@srvinet.com><br> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 7:25 am<br> Subject: Re: disabling individual noes<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_3807f60c-95c0-4b91-9ac3-b47b86901123"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Alan,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Are you saying that the (unplayed notes) would be tuned say a half step lower to match played notes?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Tuned a piano several years back where all the white were 1/2 step low and the black a whole step low.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">An interesting 3 step pitch raise to A440  >g< </font></div> <div>Joe Goss RPT<br> Mother Goose Tools<br> <a href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</a><br> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</a></div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="reggaepass@aol.com" href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:44 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: disabling individual noes</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Hi Terry,<br> <br> <br> When I've muted un-played notes in the past, the resulting sound that is made when these notes are accidentally played has been an issue.  Considered muting of un-played strings, but then found out that in this piece, ALL pitches and registers, even those not played, are to be tuned to certain specified relationships with played notes.  This is for sympathetic resonance, both within the piano itself and with the computer generated drones sounding throughout the piece.  <br> <br> Thanks to you and to everyone else who has responded to this query.  Lots of good stuff.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> <br> Alan Eder<br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Farrell <<a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</a>><br> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 6:28 am<br> Subject: Re: disabling individual noes<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_cd5596c7-c27c-498d-b093-8e024b049b78"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">But then wouldn't the front of the key go down and stay down? Maybe add a key leveling lead weight to the rear of the key (backcheck) - but would it stay?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Or, what about just muting those notes with a couple pieces of felt? If the player is not playing the muted notes, then any inadvertent light key strike might not likely make much of a sound. Just mute it off like you would a replacement string that is pulled a bit sharp and left that way. Certainly an easy solution.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Terry Farrell</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net" href="mailto:tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net">Tom Sivak</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:26 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: disabling individual noes</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Even though he's not playing the Cs or Ebs, I think it would be disconcerting that they wouldn't be able to move.  I would prefer something inside which would prevent the notes from playing, but allow the keys to depress anyway.  You could remove the hammers and shanks from those individual keys, allowing the keys to depress but make no sound.  It would be more trouble, but ultimately is a better solution.  I think.</div> <div> </div> <div>Tom Sivak</div> <div>Chicago<br> <br> <b><i><a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Greetings List(s),<br> <br> Someone is paying me handsomely to realize their own tuning system for <br> a couple of performances this weekend. As a safety precaution, he <br> would like to have the notes that he doesn't actually play (all of the <br> Cs and Ebs, in this case) disabled. The best idea I have come up with <br> so far is to add another front rail cloth punching on top of the one <br> that is already there for these keys, so the keys will barely depress.<br> <br> Is there a better/easier way?<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Alan Eder<br> ________________________________________________________________________<br> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free <br> from AOL at AOL.com.<br> </blockquote><br> </blockquote></div> <div class="AOLPromoFooter"> <hr style="margin-top: 10px;"> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000437"><b>AOL.com</b></a>.<br> </div> </blockquote></div>