<div>The duplex scale on the piano refers to the non-speaking portion of treble strings. It can either be muted or left unmuted. If it is left unmuted its strings will vibrate sympathetically as overtones when other notes are played on the piano. On any given string, the duplex segment will not match the pitch of the speaking segment of the sting. (It cannot because these two segments are different lengths). </div> <div>If the tuner muted the duplex segment it was probably because one of the strings in this area wasn't seated properly against its bearing point and was buzzing. Another reason for muting this section would be if the piano sounded too resonant. By muting the duplex you can decrese the amount of decay time in the piano's upper register.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Jon Golding  </div> <div>On 8/18/07, <a href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</a> <<a href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org </a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div style="DIRECTION: ltr">Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to        <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit        <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target="_blank">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to        <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at        <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org"> pianotech-owner@ptg.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..."  </div> Today's Topics:   1. Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? (Sid Blum)   2. RE: Rochester Key (Kerry Kean)   3. Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands?      (Michael Magness)   4. FW: [admin] tuning (David M. Porritt)   5. Charges  (David Lawson)   6. Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands?      (Andrew and Rebeca Anderson)   7. RE: Charges  (Dean May)   8. Re: FW: [admin] tuning (Avery Todd)   9. Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands?      (Avery Todd)  10. Re: FW: [admin] tuning (paul bruesch)  11. Re: FW: [admin] tuning (Ron Nossaman)  12. Re: hammer reshaping (Jason Kanter) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sid Blum <<a href="mailto:piano@sover.net">piano@sover.net</a>> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:41:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? oops goof Now  I think I understand some of these  blank replies. Complete story in tomorrow's edition. >>If your question is why a tech might have woven string braid >>through the duplex section, it's probably because someone didn't >>find the sounds that section produced pleasant.....imagine that! > >-- -- Sid Blum <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sid@sover.net">sid@sover.net</a> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Kerry Kean" <<a href="mailto:kkean@neo.rr.com">kkean@neo.rr.com</a>> To: "'Pianotech List'" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"> pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:48:41 -0400 Subject: RE: Rochester Key Thanks, Bill. I did call another business at the same address, and he told me the same thing and said that the "kid" was on vacation last week or the week before. If he's going to keep the "3 day turnaround" claim on RK's website, he'd better notify his customers. Anyone got any recommendations for another key service? I've been pretty satisfied with RK in the past, but I'm not happy now. -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Bill Costanzo Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 4:46 PM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: RE: Rochester Key Kerry Here's the scoop on Rochester piano key. Recently the owner retired and sold the business to one of the employees. Evidently they are swamped and still trying to get up to speed. Let us know what you think of the quality when you do finally get your keys back. The previous owner's work left a lot to be desired, IMHO. Bill Costanzo -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Bill Costanzo Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:03 AM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: RE: Rochester Key Hi Kerry I live in Rochester and was speaking to a colleague (Lynn) a couple of days ago who had the same experience with RPK. I do my own key work so I don't have a lot of personal experience with them, but Lynn said it was unusual and that no one seems to be there.  I'll see if I can get any info on the situation and post it. Bill Costanzo -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org </a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Kerry Kean Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:14 AM To: 'Pianotech List' Subject: RE: Rochester Key Michael tried to reply to me on the Rochester Key question, but it came through blank ?did anyone see anything else? ? Kerry ?   _____ From: Michael Kurta [mailto: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mkurta@roadrunner.com">mkurta@roadrunner.com</a>] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:02 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: Rochester Key ? ?? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Michael Magness" <<a href="mailto:IFixPianos@yahoo.com">IFixPianos@yahoo.com</a>> To: "Mark Wisner" < <a href="mailto:mwisner@earthlink.net">mwisner@earthlink.net</a>>, "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:45:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? It was explained to me that the duplex scaling didn't sound "right" with the piano after it was tuned by the tech who suggested weaving the braid or felt, I'm not sure which was used, through the duplex scale/string tails to deaden the sound. It occured to me if this wasn't a normal problem with Pearl River Grands it might be the tech's habit of not pounding his tunings in( I have personal experience having followed him at more than one venue)  that caused the problem. Since I have NO experience with Pearl River pianos, I'm asking those who do. I know there were problems with these pianos in years past but I thought most of it had been ironed out. These pianos are new, less than 6 months old, so I'm looking for recent experience with pianos new within the last year or so. <div>On 8/17/07, Mark Wisner <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mwisner@earthlink.net" target="_blank">mwisner@earthlink.net </a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div> I do have a fair amount of experience with Pearl River pianos, and I'm happy to help you in any way I can, but I'm not sure what your question is. If your question is why a tech might have woven string braid through the duplex section, it's probably because someone didn't find the sounds that section produced pleasant.....imagine that! Mark Wisner <blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- From: Michael Magness Sent: Aug 17, 2007 9:22 AM To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank"> pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? I am re-posting the question to anyone who has experience with Pearl River Grands of recent(within the last year)manufacture. I have a report of 2 grands on a dealers floor that have duplex scaling that does not "match" with the piano scaling. The non-PTG technician has blocked the string tails where the duplex scaling is with a felt strip woven in. A friend at the dealership has mentioned this to me in a questioning way. I have no experience with Pearl River pianos just the tech's work. I have noticed he doesen't pound his tunings in and am wondering if this is perhaps the cause? -- Michael Magness Magness Piano Service 608-786-4404 <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com </a> email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> -- Michael Magness Magness Piano Service 608-786-4404 <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com</a> email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank"> mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </blockquote></div></blockquote></div> -- Michael Magness Magness Piano Service 608-786-4404 <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank"> www.IFixPianos.com</a> email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "David M. Porritt" < <a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</a>> To: "'Pianotech List'" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:47:53 -0500 Subject: FW: [admin] tuning This just came in to the PTG admin list.  Anyone in or around Texas City??? dp ____________________ David M. Porritt, RPT <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu"> dporritt@smu.edu</a> -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:admin-bounces@ptg.org">admin-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:admin-bounces@ptg.org"> admin-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of marilee_stripling Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:35 PM To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org">pianotech-owner@ptg.org </a> Subject: [admin] tuning I have a new Story & Clark with the Pianomation system. To maintain the warranty I am suppose to have it tunes twice a year. I have a certificate for a free tuning from Rick Jones Pianos. I live in Texas City, TX and need a tuner asap. Marilee 409.945.0083 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "David Lawson" <<a href="mailto:dlawson@davidlawsonspianos.com.au">dlawson@davidlawsonspianos.com.au </a>> To: "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:23:15 +1000 Subject: Charges I am throwing in this little scenario for you to consider when working out your charges. Before the arrival of Protec, and the ability to place a few drops on to a tight centre pin, instead of removing the hammer, re-centring the flange and replacing them, we charged for the time taken, right? What do you do now that the same job is done, with little time involved, just the cost of the Protec? I still charge for a flat fee for the curing of the problem, and it is based upon my previous charges for the full job. Am I screwing the customer, or am I supplying a service that my expertise permits me to carry out? Curing a sticking note is the bottom line, and having a happy camper for a client gives you license to charge for the service given. I wait with great anticipation for your replies!! regards, David Lawson Wangaratta Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean May" <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com"> deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>> To: "'Pianotech List'" <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: RE: squeaky, creaky pedal puzzler---SOLVED! > I dare say, Ron, that you charge more per hour for your time than some > beginning piano tech. You should, anyway. That isn't screwing the customer, > it is employing the rationale I poorly set forth at 3:00 AM this morning > after the birth of my fourth grandchild. Your higher rates are justified > precisely because you have learned some expensive early lessons. You can get > the job done quicker now. > > I certainly did not intend that one should charge on a bill 18 minutes of > time not accounted for. Only that your total charges need to reflect the > expensive lessons learned. > > Dean > > Dean May             cell 812.239.3359 > > PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 > > Terre Haute IN  47802 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf > Of Ron Nossaman > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:40 AM > To: Pianotech List > Subject: Re: squeaky, creaky pedal puzzler---SOLVED! > > > > If I got a bill from someone and was charged for 18 unexplained minutes, > > I would have some questions. I think your charges will appear > > inconsistent if done in this manner. A better way to compensate for > > experience and training value is simply to have an appropriate billing > > rate. An appropriate billing rate will fairly compensate you for your > > expertise, experience and training and your invoices will be consistent > > and easily understood/explained. > > > > Terry Farrell > > > I quite agree. When (not if) I take too long to find some > problem, and choose not to bill my client the full amount for > my own ignorance, I also choose not to screw the next guy. > When I hand the first guy the invoice, someone pays for my > education then and there - either him or me. My choice. > Ron N > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew and Rebeca Anderson <<a href="mailto:anrebe@sbcglobal.net">anrebe@sbcglobal.net</a>> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"> pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:49:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? <div>Pearl River grand pianos do tend to have lots of friction to overcome and a lite tuning method will not be stabile on them.  If the rear duplex is not up to pitch, there is a tuning method to work on that specifically.  If it is the front one, most likely it is his tuning method. Andrew Anderson At 05:45 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote: <blockquote type="cite">It was explained to me that the duplex scaling didn't sound "right" with the piano after it was tuned by the tech who suggested weaving the braid or felt, I'm not sure which was used, through the duplex scale/string tails to deaden the sound. It occured to me if this wasn't a normal problem with Pearl River Grands it might be the tech's habit of not pounding his tunings in( I have personal experience having followed him at more than one venue)  that caused the problem. Since I have NO experience with Pearl River pianos, I'm asking those who do. I know there were problems with these pianos in years past but I thought most of it had been ironed out. These pianos are new, less than 6 months old, so I'm looking for recent experience with pianos new within the last year or so. On 8/17/07, Mark Wisner <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mwisner@earthlink.net" target="_blank">mwisner@earthlink.net</a>> wrote: <dl> <dd>I do have a fair amount of experience with Pearl River pianos, and I'm happy to help you in any way I can, but I'm not sure what your question is. <dd>If your question is why a tech might have woven string braid through the duplex section, it's probably because someone didn't find the sounds that section produced pleasant.....imagine that! <dd>Mark Wisner <dl> <dd>-----Original Message----- <dd>From: Michael Magness <dd>Sent: Aug 17, 2007 9:22 AM <dd>To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech@ptg.org</a> <dd>Subject: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? <dd>I am re-posting the question to anyone who has experience with Pearl River Grands of recent(within the last year)manufacture. I have a report of 2 grands on a dealers floor that have duplex scaling that does not "match" with the piano scaling. The non-PTG technician has blocked the string tails where the duplex scaling is with a felt strip woven in. A friend at the dealership has mentioned this to me in a questioning way. I have no experience with Pearl River pianos just the tech's work. I have noticed he doesen't pound his tunings in and am wondering if this is perhaps the cause? <dd>-- <dd>Michael Magness <dd>Magness Piano Service <dd>608-786-4404 <dd><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com </a> <dd>email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> <dd>-- <dd>Michael Magness <dd>Magness Piano Service <dd>608-786-4404 <dd><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com</a> <dd>email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd></dd> </dd></dd></dd></dd></dl></dd></dd></dd></dl> -- Michael Magness Magness Piano Service 608-786-4404 <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank"> www.IFixPianos.com</a> email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </blockquote></div> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Dean May" <<a href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>> To: "'Pianotech List'" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:13:24 -0400 Subject: RE: Charges Good question. Consider that the Protec or Goose Juice might not work. You'd be called back and the customer would expect you to fix it for free. You need to charge enough so that the average collected would cover any such call back. I usually try to head this off, though, and explain that the lubrication will probably work based on my experience, but the action may need more drastic measures. It also isn't free to stock Protec/GJ and hypo oiler. I try to charge $20-$25 any time I get the hypo out and lubricate all the flanges. Dean Dean May             cell 812.239.3359 PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 Terre Haute IN  47802 -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org </a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of David Lawson Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:23 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Charges I am throwing in this little scenario for you to consider when working out your charges. Before the arrival of Protec, and the ability to place a few drops on to a tight centre pin, instead of removing the hammer, re-centring the flange and replacing them, we charged for the time taken, right? What do you do now that the same job is done, with little time involved, just the cost of the Protec? I still charge for a flat fee for the curing of the problem, and it is based upon my previous charges for the full job. Am I screwing the customer, or am I supplying a service that my expertise permits me to carry out? Curing a sticking note is the bottom line, and having a happy camper for a client gives you license to charge for the service given. I wait with great anticipation for your replies!! regards, David Lawson Wangaratta Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean May" < <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>> To: "'Pianotech List'" <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"> pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: RE: squeaky, creaky pedal puzzler---SOLVED! > I dare say, Ron, that you charge more per hour for your time than some > beginning piano tech. You should, anyway. That isn't screwing the customer, > it is employing the rationale I poorly set forth at 3:00 AM this morning > after the birth of my fourth grandchild. Your higher rates are justified > precisely because you have learned some expensive early lessons. You can get > the job done quicker now. > > I certainly did not intend that one should charge on a bill 18 minutes of > time not accounted for. Only that your total charges need to reflect the > expensive lessons learned. > > Dean > > Dean May             cell 812.239.3359 > > PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 > > Terre Haute IN  47802 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf > Of Ron Nossaman > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:40 AM > To: Pianotech List > Subject: Re: squeaky, creaky pedal puzzler---SOLVED! > > > > If I got a bill from someone and was charged for 18 unexplained minutes, > > I would have some questions. I think your charges will appear > > inconsistent if done in this manner. A better way to compensate for > > experience and training value is simply to have an appropriate billing > > rate. An appropriate billing rate will fairly compensate you for your > > expertise, experience and training and your invoices will be consistent > > and easily understood/explained. > > > > Terry Farrell > > > I quite agree. When (not if) I take too long to find some > problem, and choose not to bill my client the full amount for > my own ignorance, I also choose not to screw the next guy. > When I hand the first guy the invoice, someone pays for my > education then and there - either him or me. My choice. > Ron N > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Avery Todd" <<a href="mailto:ptuner1@gmail.com">ptuner1@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu </a>, "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:23:06 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: [admin] tuning <div>This is "only" about an hour away from me but I'm not interested. Why would she buy a piano from someone in the Washington, DC/Baltimore area when she lives here????? </div> <div> </div> <div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://rickjonespianos.com/?gclid=CJufsKPy_Y0CFQktYQodqSAnPA" target="_blank">http://rickjonespianos.com/?gclid=CJufsKPy_Y0CFQktYQodqSAnPA</a></div> <div> </div> <div>Avery  </div> <div>On 8/17/07, David M. Porritt <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" target="_blank">dporritt@smu.edu</a> > wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">This just came in to the PTG admin list.  Anyone in or around Texas City??? dp ____________________ David M. Porritt, RPT <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" target="_blank">dporritt@smu.edu</a> -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:admin-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank"> admin-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:admin-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank"> admin-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of marilee_stripling Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:35 PM To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</a> Subject: [admin] tuning I have a new Story & Clark with the Pianomation system. To maintain the warranty I am suppose to have it tunes twice a year. I have a certificate for a free tuning from Rick Jones Pianos. I live in Texas City, TX and need a tuner asap. Marilee 409.945.0083 </blockquote> </div> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Avery Todd" <<a href="mailto:ptuner1@gmail.com">ptuner1@gmail.com</a>> To: "Mark Wisner" <<a href="mailto:mwisner@earthlink.net"> mwisner@earthlink.net</a>>, "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:34:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? <div>Thanks, Mark. I was wondering the same thing. I tune quite a few for a dealer I work for and have never noticed any particular problems. The verticals, however, are a different can of worms. I tuned two new UP 115E's today. Or tried to, anyway. Boy, am I tired! :-( The Yamaha U1 I also tuned today, by comparison, was a piece of cake! :-) </div> <div> </div> <div>Avery  </div> <div>On 8/17/07, Mark Wisner <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mwisner@earthlink.net" target="_blank">mwisner@earthlink.net </a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div> What do you mean by "match the piano scaling"?  Or, more importantly, what is the problem with the two pianos? Mark Wisner <blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- From: Michael Magness Sent: Aug 16, 2007 3:11 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Problems With Duplex Scaling Of Pearl River Grands? I am posing the question to anyone who has experience with Pearl River Grands of recent(within the last year)manufacture. I have a report of 2 grands on a dealers floor that have duplex scaling that does not "match" with the piano scaling. The non-PTG technician has blocked the string tails where the duplex scaling is with a felt strip woven in. A friend at the dealership has mentioned this to me in a questioning way. I have no experience with Pearl River pianos just the tech's work. I have noticed he doesen't pound his tunings in and am wondering if this is perhaps the cause? -- Michael Magness Magness Piano Service 608-786-4404 <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com</a> email <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </blockquote></div></blockquote></div> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "paul bruesch" <<a href="mailto:paul@bruesch.net">paul@bruesch.net</a>> To: "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:38:26 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: [admin] tuning One glance at the <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://rickjonespianos.com/" target="_blank">rickjonespianos.com</a> website would lead me to guess that she "got a deal" on the internet. Paul Bruesch Stillwater, MN <div>On 8/17/07, Avery Todd <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ptuner1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ptuner1@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"> <div>This is "only" about an hour away from me but I'm not interested. Why would she buy a piano from someone in the Washington, DC/Baltimore area when she lives here????? </div> <div> </div> <div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://rickjonespianos.com/?gclid=CJufsKPy_Y0CFQktYQodqSAnPA" target="_blank">http://rickjonespianos.com/?gclid=CJufsKPy_Y0CFQktYQodqSAnPA</a></div> <div> </div> <div>Avery  </div> <div>On 8/17/07, David M. Porritt <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" target="_blank">dporritt@smu.edu</a> > wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">This just came in to the PTG admin list.  Anyone in or around Texas City??? dp ____________________ David M. Porritt, RPT <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" target="_blank">dporritt@smu.edu</a> -----Original Message----- From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:admin-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank"> admin-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:admin-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank"> admin-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of marilee_stripling Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:35 PM To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</a> Subject: [admin] tuning I have a new Story & Clark with the Pianomation system. To maintain the warranty I am suppose to have it tunes twice a year. I have a certificate for a free tuning from Rick Jones Pianos. I live in Texas City, TX and need a tuner asap. Marilee 409.945.0083 </blockquote> </div> </blockquote></div> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ron Nossaman <<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"> pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:57:27 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: [admin] tuning > This is "only" about an hour away from me but I'm not interested. Why > would she buy a piano from someone in the Washington, DC/Baltimore area > when she lives here????? Maybe the legendary "It's just like a (insert fantasy here), only cheaper" hallucination. Ron N ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Jason Kanter" < <a href="mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com">jkanter@rollingball.com</a>> To: "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:00:52 -0700 Subject: Re: hammer reshaping I get about ten paint stirrers, a sheet of 80 and a sheet of 120. I lay the paint stirrers in a row on top of a sheet of tin foil, and use contact cement spray to coat the top surface as well as the plain surface of one sheet of sandpaper; when tacky I stick the sandpaper on top of the set of paint stirrers and turn it over on a fresh piece of tin foil. Repeat with the other side of the paint stirrers and the other sheet of sandpaper. Finally I use a boxcutter or linoleum knife to slice the paint stirrers apart. They work just fine. <div>On 8/16/07, Michael Magness <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:IFixPianos@yahoo.com" target="_blank">IFixPianos@yahoo.com </a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div>Piano Forte Supply <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.pianofortesupply.com/" target="_blank">www.pianofortesupply.com</a> offers a sand paper file that they say you can tighten the paper on, it's plastic of some sort and flexible. I haven't used it but saw it in thei online catalog. It's a little pricey at $19.50 but if it's durable, it could be a bargain. </div> <div>I have always just used a small sandpaper file that I can change the paper on periodically, it's multilam(the shop teacher at one of the schools I tune for teaches his groups how to make compound bows, he gave me some scrap lamination from one.) about 1/4" thick, 1" wide and about 9' long. I cut the sandpaper 100 or 120 grit in strips to fit from one side up over the end down to the other, leaving the lower 1&1/2 inches of either side bare. I attach the paper with thumbtacks then over wrap with a half thickness of duct tape around the bottom of the sandpaper ends. I find this to be small enough to be easy to handle yet rigid enough to shape hammers. I wouldn't want a flexible file for individual shaping. I have made "gang shapers from masking tape and small sheets of sandpaper that are flexible.  </div> <div> <div>On 8/15/07, Aras <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:aras6310@yahoo.se" target="_blank">aras6310@yahoo.se</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I found a very good file which is made of glass. It is perfect in size and really sharp - makes a fine surface on the hammers. This file is made for foot therapeuts. george ivey <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:gaiveytx@yahoo.com" target="_blank">gaiveytx@yahoo.com</a>> skrev: <div> <blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"> <div>Does anyone know where I can get the perma-grit thin file mostly used in reshaping hammer s?</div> <div>I was told that it was available from D.G. Products out of san antonio but no listing on the web. This file is very thin, flat and retangular , 1 1/2 inches wide and about 9 inches long. </div> <div>It has 80 grit on one side and 120 grit on the other. Sometimes available at the conventions but I am looking for one now...</div> <div>if you know where I can order one, I will be grateful.</div> <div>Thanks..</div> <div>George Ivey</div> <div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:gaiveytx@yahoo.com" target="_blank">gaiveytx@yahoo.com</a></div> <div>Associate member Houston PTG</div></blockquote> </div> <hr size="1"> L�na pengar utan s�kerhet. <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://shopping.yahoo.se/c-100390123-lan-utan-sakerhet.html?partnerId=96915014" target="_blank">S�k och j�mf�r hos Yahoo! 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