<br><br> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/1/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ron Nossaman</b> <<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>> On P22s I've found it easier to just lift one end of the piano onto one<br>> dolly, position it put the screws in the back, then lift the other end <br>> on the dolly and do the same.  If you really want to put the bolts<br>> through the bottom board you have to tip it, but I've put a lot of<br>> dollies on by myself with the only screws in the back.<br>> <br>> dp<br><br>I like screws in the bottom too. I pre-drill whatever screw<br>holes I need in the dolly, then get them under the piano and<br>screwed to the back just like this. Then the piano goes up on<br>it's end (bottom corner) with a padded block catching it just <br>past the balance point, so I can put the screws in the bottom.<br>Being close to the balance point, I can pull it back to me,<br>catch it as it comes down, and set it back down on the floor<br>on it's new dolly. You couldn't pay me to try this with a <br>tilter and six helpers, but I can do the job by myself this way.<br>Ron N<br></blockquote></div><br> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have found the holes in the back to be next to worthless without bolting through the bottom as well. The lag bolts used in the holes in the back work loose and you then have a problem. I've always bolted the back holes first to hold the dollies in position. I then tip it, WITH HELP, since the tipper won't work as well with the dollies on the piano. I'm 6'4" and weigh close to 300 lbs. so I'm not kidding when I say you'll need help! I then use 2" x 5/16 grade 5 bolts after drilling holes through the bottom board. I use a large flat washer about 1/2" size, with a smaller flat washer 5/16" to keep the nut from pulling through, a lock washer then the nut. I do this on both dollies and you'll have a permanent installation! The large washer is to disperse the pressure of the bolt/dolly over a larger area so it doesn't pull out easily. </span></font></p> <div> </div> <div>I have installed about a dozen of these sets of dollies and have always followed this procedure after seeing the sloppy job done by school custodians who are given the job. When I had someone my size to help, I stood the pianos on end, it worked much better than tipping on the back with a tipper but I realize that's not for everyone! <grin> </div> <p> </p> <div>I see once again we agree much more than disagree, Ron, I much prefer tipping them on end to using the tipper</div> <div> </div> <div>Mike<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>I sit down to the piano regularly at nine-o'clock in the morning and Mesdames les Muses have learned to be on time for that rendezvous. <br>- Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky<br><br>Michael Magness <br>Magness Piano Service<br>608-786-4404<br><a href="http://www.IFixPianos.com">www.IFixPianos.com</a><br>email <a href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </div>