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<div style="padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px; border-left: #000000 3px solid; padding-top: 5px">I agree with these comments, completely.
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<div align="left">If you did want to experiment with a change, how about tuning the so-called European Small temperament which is A4 to A3 with a sequence as you describe (down a 5th to D, up a 4th to G; down a 5th to C, up 4th to F, Down 5th to A#, up 4th to D#--then up ANOTHER fourth to G#; down a 5th to C#, up 4th to F#; down 5th to B, up to E; then down a 5th to A, compare it to the octave, and hope you aren't more than, say, 37 cents off! <img src="Roll_Eyes.gif" /></div>
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<div align="left">I think I have that right, dredgeing deep in the memory, and I believe it has been used by many S&S C&A folks—including Franz Mohr—for a long time. So, obviously, you can develop some checks and make it go. </div>
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<div align="left">Then again, those C&A guys are pretty much tuning Bs and Ds over and over and over and they probably have the sounds of those temperaments engrained in the brain, indelibly. Translating all of that to 60's PA Stark spinet might just be a bit of a challenge. Then again, in such a piano, would it reallllllly matter how the temperament goes? Ha.</div>
<div align="left"><br />Alan Barnard<br />Salem, MO<br /><br /></div>
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<hr />Original message<br />From: "Ed Sutton"
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<examprep@ptg.org></examprep@ptg.org><br />Received: 9/3/2007 7:45:46 PM<br />Subject: Re: [ExamPrep] Temperament<br /><br />
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Perhaps a good start would be for you to tune a piano and have it checked by an RPT or CTE.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If your current way of tuning can pass the exam, you're in like Flynn!</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">(By the way, I believe you could set pitch with an A fork, have it scored, then retune in your usual </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">way without worrying about pitch anymore. I will leave it to a CTE to confirm this.)</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ed Sutton</font></div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="examprep@ptg.org" href="mailto:examprep@ptg.org">examprep@ptg.org</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 03, 2007 8:26 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [ExamPrep] Temperament</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Question on successfully tuning the temperament for the exam.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I was taught and have tuned for 28 years a temperament that I believe is supposed to go back to Brad White. It is F3 to F4 and is started from C4, tuning with 4<sup>th</sup>’s and 5ths and checking with 3rds and 6ths. (C-F, C-G, G-D-A-E-B.... tuning with checks between for each of the new notes.) At first, I had considered learning a new sequence starting on A4 and so as to change from using a C bar to an A fork for the fist pitch. After reading the temperament sequences, it was obvious that the only way that I could do that was to have someone re-teach me how to tune, as written words do not convey the sound of beating intervals.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Would it be possible/advisable/practical to use the sequence that I have been using, and vary it as follows?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Add to the front of my current sequence:</span></font></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Tune A4 to tuning fork, check with source book checks.</span></font> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Tune A4 to A3, check with source book checks.</span></font> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Tune C5 to bar, check with source book checks modified for C.</span></font> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Tune C4 to C5, check with source book checks modified for C.</span></font> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Continue with temperament sequence, but use the A3 that was already tuned as a secondary check for the beginning of the sequence.</span></font> </li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">On the positive side, I can see the following:</span></font></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">There would be two pitch references to set the first set of notes, giving me more accuracy at the beginning of the sequence which is unquestionable the weak spot in this sequence. (The first check is normally after the first 3 notes are tuned, [Tune C down to F, Tune C down to G, Tune G up to D, check F to D for 8 bps]) Doing this would give me a second check for D by placing it to beat correctly for both D-F and D-A.</span></font> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The initial A4 that is used to test for accuracy with the fork would not ever be disturbed while tuning the temperament leaving it alone to be tested later.</span></font> </li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The down side would be:</span></font></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The minimal time that is takes to tune both the A and the C for outside sources. It also depends on both the C bar and the A fork being at the correct pitch.</span></font> </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">The problem of what to do if there is a discrepancy between the two pitch sources. (My initial response to this would be to accept the A and change the C.)</span></font> </li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Am I heading in the right direction with all of this, or is there something that I am missing that I need to adjust for?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">I am not adverse to learning a totally new way of doing things if need be, as I have enough experience to know that there will be times when that will be just what is needed to do the best job.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Thanks</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Rex Roseman</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">P.S. I am enjoying reading both the source books and back Journals. I finally joined the guild because I got real tired hanging (sometimes almost literally) out there by myself. We have a wonderful local chapter, and I am going to get some of the members to do some mentoring when I get through the material that the PTG has prepared.</span></font></p>
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