<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> You take the action out, lid off and lid hinges off the rim. Stand it up on the side as normal, then tip it on over. Make sure you have appropriate padding in place for where it comes down. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> First time I saw such cracks I realized that they make them with that way, with the outer rim assembled at the end. That means the inner rim must be designed to handle all the stress by itself with the outer rim serving primarily a cosmetic function. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <u1:PersonName u2:st="on">Dean May</u1:PersonName>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></u1:City> <u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</u1:State></st1:State>  <u1:PostalCode u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</u1:PostalCode></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></u1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Richmond Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:14 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: cracks in rim<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> No need to apologize.  I've been part of a grand moving team--no, not just to place the dolly--but, shucks, I must admit, I <am> pretty good at that!  :-)  I can do the pull down, but don't have much to offer on the lifting end.  It's hard for me to visualize how one inverts the piano.  What do you do?  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Barbara Richmond<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From: <a href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net" title="gnewell@ameritech.net">Greg Newell</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:19 AM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject: Re: cracks in rim<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Barbara, <X-TAB>        </X-TAB>I'm so sorry. I should have realized the possible physical or strength limitations. It's possibly not the easiest thing you could ever do. Nevertheless I think it really isn't necessary in this case anyway. all the best, Greg Newell At 12:07 AM 9/7/2007, you wrote: <o:p></o:p> Hi Greg,   After hearing from some folks, it seems it's a cosmetic problem--which is a relief.  You know, I've heard it before, but the term "simply invert the piano" doesn't sound... well...so simple.  I guess I need piano inverting lessons (or not).  I'm sure glad it wasn't on the RPT technical test--"And now, <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Miss.</st1:place></st1:State> Bennett, please invert this piano."   Umm....   ;-)   Barbara (Bennett) <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Richmond</st1:place></st1:City>, RPT near <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Peoria</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Illinois</st1:State></st1:place>    <o:p></o:p> ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> From: <a href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net">Greg Newell</a> <o:p></o:p> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> <o:p></o:p> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:49 PM<o:p></o:p> Subject: Re: cracks in rim<o:p></o:p> Barbara,<o:p></o:p> I doubt that it will make a huge difference to the ear of your customer unless their one of your high end clients. If so I would simply invert the piano and soak epoxy into the crack. It might help. Are you fixing a sound problem or a cosmetic problem?<o:p></o:p> best,<o:p></o:p> Greg <o:p></o:p> At 03:56 PM 9/6/2007, you wrote: <o:p></o:p> Howdy,<o:p></o:p>   <o:p></o:p> I just serviced a 15 year old KG-2.  While I was underneath the piano taking care of noisy trapwork, I noticed a crack all the way around the rim.  It looks like it is between the inner(?) and outer(?) rim.  In some places I could easy insert my feeler gauge 1" or more.  Unfortunately, I had left my camera in my shop, but the piano's owner let me use her camera phone to take pictures.  Sorry about the picture quality--hope you can see.   I would like opinions--is the piano in trouble?   Should it be fixed?  How?<o:p></o:p>   <o:p></o:p> Thanks,<o:p></o:p>   <o:p></o:p> Barbara Richmond, RPT<o:p></o:p> near <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Peoria</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Illinois</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p>   <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Greg Newell<o:p></o:p> Greg's Piano Fort�<o:p></o:p> <a href="http://www.gregspianoforte.com/" eudora=autourl>www.gregspianoforte.com</a><o:p></o:p> 216-226-3791 (office)<o:p></o:p> 216-470-8634 (mobile)<o:p></o:p> 2003,04,05 & 06 winners of <o:p></o:p> Angie's List Super Service Award<o:p></o:p> </X-SIGSEP><X-SIGSEP>Greg Newell Greg's Piano Fort� <a href="http://www.gregspianoforte.com/" eudora=autourl>www.gregspianoforte.com </a>216-226-3791 (office) 216-470-8634 (mobile) 2003,04,05 & 06 winners of Angie's List Super Service Award<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>