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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875075800-03102007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080>Noah,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875075800-03102007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080>I did a class called "The Piano and the
Environment" that was probably along the lines of what you are contemplating. I
also thought the subject important enough to devote some time to it.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875075800-03102007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080>If you're interested in looking at some of
the stuff I prepared for the class contact me privately. I'll try to get back to
you sometime next week. Right now I'm off to the Central East Regional
Seminar.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=875075800-03102007><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Delwin D Fandrich<BR>Piano Design & Manufacturing
Consultant<BR>620 South Tower Avenue<BR>Centralia, Washington 98531
USA<BR>Phone 360.736-7563<BR><<A
href="mailto:fandrich@pianobuilders.com">mailto:fandrich@pianobuilders.com</A>>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Noah
Haverkamp<BR><B>Sent:</B> September 28, 2007 3:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> ecofriendly<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>Interesting banter. If the general
list feels this is not a good place to discuss these things at this time, so
be it. However, I would like to clarify that I am not interested solely in
manufacturing. Far from it. I believe 99 cents makes 99 cents, but one
penny makes a dollar. In other words, every piece of info and technique
matters. The idea that one's actions are "miniscule" compared to others is
antiquated, and untrue. It's only a matter of time before all processes,
including our beloved piano technology, changes in ways that benefit the whole
world. It is inevitable. Evolution demands it. So I have no doubt there will
be a huge place for this in the seminars, and on the list. When? - well -
that's what i'm working on. <BR>-Noah Haverkamp Frere<BR><BR><BR>Point
taken. Disagree, in that there are likely a number of processes used in
mfg, that we as rebuilders use and there could certainly be
implications, but, OK, I see your point.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>William R. Monroe</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=wimblees@aol.com href="Compose?To=wimblees@aol.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pianotech@ptg.org
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ymailto="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
September 27, 2007 8:24 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
ecofriendliness</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>As I said, there is a place for this kind of exploration
and investigating. I just don't think the PTG, either on this forum, or at
seminars, etc. is the place. We are piano technicians, not manufacturers.
Now, if Noah finds out that the glues or resins we are using in our day to day
operations, for example, are environmentally unfriendly, that is something
that has a direct impact on us. But from what he is asking, he wants
information about the manufacturing of pianos. <BR><BR>
<DIV style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<BR>Piano
Tuner/Technician<BR>Honolulu, HI<BR>Author of <BR>The Business of Piano
Tuning<BR>available from Potter
Press<BR>www.pianotuning.com</DIV><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
William R. Monroe <pianotech@a440piano.net><BR>To: Pianotech List
<pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 2:50 pm<BR>Subject: Re:
ecofriendliness<BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>Respectfully disagree,
Wim,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>It is just this kind of thinking
that helps identify weak points (environmentally or otherwise) in our
business. Some we can't (or choose not to) do anything about, like,
making pianos. Others, like finding more sustainable products to use,
for example, that still give us the musical qualities we desire, may be
discovered and implemented to reduce our impact.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>I used to work at the Gibson
acoustic guitar factory in Bozeman, MT (before Gibwin) and while I was there
we started experimenting with a different, faster growing, less
environmentally detrimental farmed tree for the face of the guitar
(soundboard). I forget what we called these models, but, just the
same.....it's a valid example. I'm sure we wouldn't have to look to hard
at our industry to find things that not only would be environmentally more
friendly, but quite possibly more economical as well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>William R. Monroe</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Paul</DIV>
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<DIV>My point is, if Noah finds out that piano manufacturing is "killing" our
planet, will you stop working on pianos? Pianos are our business. If
manufatureres stop making pianos, in the long run, it will effect our
business. <BR><BR>I'm not saying the public should ignore enviromental
problems of piano manufacturers, if there are any. But in my
opinion, a PTG sponsored seminar or technical institute is not the
arena where this should be aired. <BR><BR>Willem (Wim) Blees,
RPT<BR><BR><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>Paul wrote:</FONT></DIV>If no
one goes to his class he probably won't teach it any more. If lots of people
(you obviously excluded) attend and rave about it to their friends, perhaps
still more people will mob him and he'll have to write a best-seller. Ya'
never know, but with your attitude about the supposed non-problem our planet
faces, due in some small part by piano mfrs worldwide, not just the 4 in this
narcissistic nation, you'll never find out and my kids will choke to death.
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<DIV> </DIV>Okay. I'm looking for any and all information regarding
the environment (preservation of forests, damage to environment from glue,
etc.) as it pertains to a piano. I intend to become an expert and then
teach a class. Any help? <BR>
-Noah Haverkamp
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question is, why? What will you gain by knowing the damage to the environment,
and the depletion of the forests, and all the other "problems" related to the
manufacturing of pianos? First of all, there are only 4 piano manufacturing
facilities left in this country. The "damage" they are causing is minuscule
compared to the other industries. Second, on a world wide basis, again, the
impact is virtually non-existence. And last, what impact will the information
you learn have on the industry, even if you do create and teach
an outstanding class? <BR><BR>I'm not saying you shouldn't do the
homework, but will it be beneficial to us.<BR><BR>Wim
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