<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3199" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Finally, the 'best' solution would be for the customer to by a nice new . . . . . . Kawai?"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>I already tried that. It was my first suggestion - no nibbles - well, I mean, a new piano in general - although a Kawai would be great! Believe me, when a new client tells me they have a Kawai (or another local (to Kawai) brand), or I walk into the home and see the Kawai, I breathe a sigh of relief - "ahhhh, a piano that can be tuned and not sound like sh%t when I'm done"......  :-0</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for your input.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's hard to say if water/alcohol will work, because there are too many possible causes of the tightness.  The problem may have started with humidity, but if the piano is older it could have been lubed with who-knows-what in the past.  The only thing to do is try - I don't think that Protek stops the water from penetrating like silicone and some petroleum lubricants can.  I've never actually tried what you are proposing, though, so I'll admit to a lack of experience.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>50% alcohol can be bought in some drug stores, and that is a very strong mixture.  If you are wanting to go straight to the max, give it a go.  70% is a little more reasonable mix.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The other thing to try is silicone and naphtha, which will tend to work for a while at least.  But in the end, those centers might just need to be repinned after all.  And then the lubricants can make them gum up again in a few years anyway . . . . .</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finally, the 'best' solution would be for the customer to by a nice new . . . . . . Kawai?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or not.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don Mannino</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:45 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Protek Seizure</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>No, my friend was trying to free up some slow centers with an application of Protek CLP only to find them slower the next day. Obviously, my friend could repin the action, but the piano is not worth that much work, so he is looking for a functional shortcut.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Anyone ever tried the alcohol/water treatment after having used Protek with success?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"> </DIV>What's the issue? It seems to have worked. You said "your friend" applied Protek to slow action centers. They got slower. That's what "your friend" wanted. Remedy for what?<BR><BR>:-P<BR><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 10/16/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Farrell</B> <<A href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"> <DIV bgcolor="#ffffff"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Anyone ever apply Protek CLP to slow action centers only to find them slower the next day (>10g friction)? Any thoughts on a remedy?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>PS: I'm asking this for a friend   ;-)</FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>