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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It takes a good 30 minutes or more for the
glue to fully dissolve. Don’t get hung up on premeasured
proportions, when the crystals are totally dissolved add water as necessary to
get it to a room temperature honey consistency (depending on what you are using
it for). It will take a full day at least for it to set up hard.
The more water, the more it will shrink. I wouldn’t worry about too
long unless you are leaving it in the pot for a day or more. To slow down
the set up time at some urea (you don’t need very much). Or, just
use titebond. Their trim glue is the right consistency for a lot of
applications, especially hammers. </span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net<br>
www.davidlovepianos.com</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>paul bruesch<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, October 26, 2007
8:31 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Pianotech List</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Hot Hide Glue Problem</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It was
in the church music room (choir rehearsal, etc.) I just thought I'd do it
right, since I've seen so many castigations about using Titebond where not
appropriate, although in my case Titebond is what I wound up using after
scraping off the goo. <br>
<br>
How long should it be heated before using?? What's "too long?"
Previously (and this time) I've used it almost right away after it's soupy. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Paul Bruesch<br>
Stillwater, MN</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=gmailquote><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/26/07, <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Ron Nossaman</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net">rnossaman@cox.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></span></p>
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> I mixed up some hot hide glue yesterday. The crystals were from a<br>
> package (my first/only) which I've had for about six months. I have<br>
> successfully mixed glue from it in the past, but yesterday it never set <br>
> up hard. It dried about the consistency of rubber cement (but nowhere<br>
> nearly as sticky!) Every time I've mixed it before I've just
made a WAG<br>
> at quantities (cover dry crystals with water, per someone on this list) <br>
> and stuck it in my hot water pot, set at 140F.<br>
><br>
> I cleaned it all out and tried it again tonight, but this time I weighed<br>
> out 1oz crystals and slightly under 2oz H2O (per recipe on the 'net). <br>
> Same result. Very gummy, tho' I don't chew gum and don't think this<br>
> stuff'll make me want to start!!<br>
><br>
> Any idea what could possibly be going wrong??<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Paul Bruesch<br>
> Stillwater, MN<br>
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<br>
You mentioned tuning the piano. Shop, or elsewhere? If<br>
elsewhere, why hot hide? Mixed fairly thick, it does gel to a<br>
not terribly sticky rubber cement consistency fairly quickly, <br>
and takes at least overnight to dry hard. That's what it does,<br>
and that quick gel is one of the primary reasons for using it.<br>
What did yours look like the next day?<br>
<br>
I have had hide glue not gel properly in two situations. When <br>
it hadn't been heated long enough after mixing, and when it<br>
had been in use and cooking in the pot for too long.<br>
Ron N</span></font></p>
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