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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Dean May</b> <<a href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, Home Depot, Lowes, any hardware store. Look in the plumbing section. It's just a cap that is glued on the end of a section of plastic pipe to stub it off.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Take one of the nuts with you to find the right size cap to fit over the end. If the cap is a little big you can fill it up with caulk or GOOP glue.
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If you really want to dress up the back paint all the posts and back in a flat black latex. </span></font></p><span class="q">
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<p><b><font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="navy" size="6"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 22pt; COLOR: navy">Dean</span></font></b><font color="navy"><span style="COLOR: navy"></span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" color="navy" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Dean May cell 812.239.3359 </span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>pianolover 88<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 29, 2007 11:18 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Pianotech List
<div><span class="e" id="q_115eefc5465677ff_3"><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: Upright pinblock question</span></div></span></font>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Thanks Dean! I was actually thinking of cutting some felt circles to cover each recessed area. Where can I find/buy the cpvc caps? Would H. Depot have them, or is it something I would have to make myself? Thanks!
<br><br>Terry Peterson<br><br>> From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com" target="_blank">deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a><br>> To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">
pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>> Subject: RE: Upright pinblock question<br>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:33:20 -0400<br>> <br>> Looks Great! You should try dressing up those nuts on the backside with 1/2"<br>> cpvc caps.
<br>> <br>> Dean<br>> <br>> Dean May cell 812.239.3359 <br>> <br>> PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 <br>> <br>> Terre Haute IN 47802<br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<br>> Of pianolover 88<br>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:42 PM<br>> To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG" target="_blank">
PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG</a><br>> Subject: FW: Upright pinblock question<br>> <br>> <br>> Just modified the the job. To be on the safe(er) side, I ended up using<br>> super strong GRADE 8 Hex head 5/16" bolts (Same diameter as factory screws)
<br>> since flat heads w/cone shape under head were available only in grade 2! I<br>> then used small locking washers, and put the bolts from inside to back,<br>> using extra large 1 1/2' outer diameter 'Fender' washers. I also used a
1.5"<br>> spade bit to counter sink. I think it should hold up pretty well indeed.<br>> Thanks for all the help!<br>> ________________________________<br>> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:58:28 -0500<br>> From:
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:IFixPianos@yahoo.com" target="_blank">IFixPianos@yahoo.com</a><br>> To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">
pianotech@ptg.org</a>; <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianolover88@hotmail.com" target="_blank">pianolover88@hotmail.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: Upright pinblock question<br>> <br>
> <br>> <br>> On 10/28/07, John Ross <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca" target="_blank">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</a>> wrote:<br>> Why don't you just get a piece of angle iron, then you would also have
<br>> rigidity.<br>> The original lag bolts are normally close to the top, so I think angle iron<br>> would work.<br>> You might have to route an indent, so the lid will lie flat.<br>> John M. Ross<br>> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
<br>> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca" target="_blank">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</a><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: 'gordon stelter' <
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:lclgcnp@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lclgcnp@yahoo.com</a>><br>> To: 'Pianotech List' <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">
pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:18 PM<br>> Subject: Re: Upright pinblock question<br>> <br>> <br>> > I put the bolts in from the front, but with a<br>> > BUNCH of fender washers under the nut on the back:
<br>> > lest the nuts/washers get sucked into the wood.<br>> > ( Nobody should put an upright right against the wall,<br>> > anyway. )<br>> > On a very rare and costly upright I may soon be<br>> > working on, I intend to have a 1/8 inch ( at least )
<br>> > steelplate made to stretch all the way across the<br>> > back, with holes drilled in it, for the bolts to go<br>> > through. Not very pretty, but the most stable,<br>> > long-lasting solution. ( Should help keep the back
<br>> > from 'cupping', too! )<br>> ><br>> > Peace,<br>> > G<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > --- Willem Blees <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com" target="_blank">
wimblees@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >><br>> ><br>> > __________________________________________________<br>> > Do You Yahoo!?<br>> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
<br>> > <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://mail.yahoo.com/" target="_blank">http://mail.yahoo.com</a><br>> ><br>> <br>> Hi Terry,<br>> <br>> I have done the exact repair you are contemplating on the exact piano you
<br>> are referring to. First of all, the reason it seperated is because Kohler &<br>> Cambell in their very wise woodworkers way made their back structure from<br>> spruce and glued the pinblock to it. Since spruce expands/contracts at a
<br>> differing rate than maple it seperated at the glue joint! Surprise! <br>> Now to the fix, first of all you need PIPE clamps not c-clamps c-clamps will<br>> warp and not give you nearly the holding power that pipe clamps will, I know
<br>> I've tried both! You can get Pony brand pipe clamps at any home center, get<br>> the 3/4' , you can also get the threaded pipe you'll need, I'd get 12'<br>> lengths, that's long enough for any old uprights you may want to bolt in the
<br>> future. I have about 8 clamps but usually only have space for 6 of them.<br>> Place a clamp near each screw bore the screw hole and pinblock behind it all<br>> the way through, I use 1/2' carriage bolts about 1/2' longer than the
<br>> thickness of back and plate, If there isn't room for 1/2' use 7/16' or if<br>> that's still too big then you have to use 3/8' but then go to the grade 5<br>> hardened bolts, the standard grade 3/8' snap off way too easily. They come
<br>> in half sizes to 6'. I use a large flat washer under the head of the bolt,<br>> one large enough for the square heade to fit through it but for the round<br>> lip to catch on it, in back, a small flat washer and a lock washer and nut
<br>> in front against the plate. Snug them tight until the bolt tries to turn, If<br>> they turn too soon, put a clamp on them at an angle to hold it while you<br>> tighten.<br>> There is no need to lower tension since your clamps will maintain the hold
<br>> that the screws did. You will need a good drill, a cordless won't do the<br>> job, something with at least 4 amps of power. A good metal bit and depending<br>> on how thick the back is, perhaps a longer auger bit to finish out the hole,
<br>> lengthwise.<br>> As for glue, I've always just used Titebond since it serves more as a filler<br>> than anything else and mostly squeezes out anyway.<br>> The plus side of investing in the clamps is you can invest in longer lengths
<br>> of pipe to use them for case repairs on pianos, bench repairs, wherever you<br>> need a clamp of whatever length you need since you can combine lengths of<br>> pipe w/couplers as well as get longer lengths.
<br>> <br>> Mike<br>> --<br>> Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing<br>> is to not stop questioning.-- Albert Einstein<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Michael Magness
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<div>Glad to see the modification, that's what I was talking about! Now you have a repair that you don't have to be concerned about in the future, Great Job!!</div>
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