<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 11"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C821DD.614BB660"> <link rel=Edit-Time-Data href="cid:editdata.mso"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> Yes,  I certainly think that is the conclusion I am getting to.  Although I was only thinking of a jig to use for bass strings only…..and having several tuning pins at various distances from one hitch pin so that the loop can be made at the absolute end of the wire…which will probably be cut off anyway even if there was no pre-stretch.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks for your insight.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Brian P. Doepke, (dep-kee)<o:p></o:p> R.P.T. (Registered Piano Technician)<o:p></o:p> AAA Piano Works, Inc.<o:p></o:p> Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults<o:p></o:p> 260.417.1298<o:p></o:p> 260.432.2043<o:p></o:p>     www.aaapianoworks.com<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: Willem Blees [mailto:wimblees@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:02 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: has anyone ever tried this?<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> The problem with any kind of jig that would pre-stretch a string is that bass strings come in a variety of lengths. A string for the single strings would be need a much longer distance from hitch pin to tuning pin than the string up in the tenor section. The jig would have to come with a moveable hitch pin. The other problem is when you turn it on the tuning pin, for an upright it might not be a problem, but for a grand, you're going to have a heck of a time putting that string through the agraff. Hanging a weight on the end of string might be the best solution, but in order for it to be effective, you would need a weight of approximately 150 - 200 pounds. How are you going to attach that much weight to the end of a string? Sorry, Brian, but there is not easy solution. Sometimes we just have to do what we have to do, and leave it that.  <o:p></o:p> <div> Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT Piano Tuner/Technician <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Honolulu</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">HI</st1:State></st1:place> Author of The Business of Piano Tuning available from Potter Press www.pianotuning.com<o:p></o:p> </div> -----Original Message----- From: J Patrick Draine <jpdraine@gmail.com> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 1:47 pm Subject: Re: has anyone ever tried this?<o:p></o:p> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_385d07f6-6b7b-46c9-9aa4-f8c7a23db4d5"> Brian, <o:p></o:p> <div> While I don't know if Mike Spaulding is 100% correct that "it's all in the bends", but if you really wanted to pre-stretch the string your could take some old pinblock(s), pound in a hitchpin, perhaps make some kind of bridge, drive a tuning pin in an appropriate tuning pin hole, and pull it up to tension. So .. if you really want to pre-stretch, make yourself a monochord. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Patrick<o:p></o:p> <div> On 11/6/07, Brian Doepke <<a href="mailto:bdoepke@verizon.net"> bdoepke@verizon.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p> The piano wire is from a bi-chord and it has 1 wrapping of copper around the core. Sorry for the confusion. I still can't believe that someone has not discovered a way to "pre-stretch" a new bass string.  Maybe something like hanging a weight on the end without the loop? Brian P. Doepke, (dep-kee)<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:6.8pt;text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free <a href="http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970" target="_blank">AOL Mail</a>!<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html>