<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="#0000ff" link="#0000ff" bgcolor="#d8d0c8" id="role_body" bottommargin="7" leftmargin="7" topmargin="7" rightmargin="7" style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; ">I may be new to the piano tech trade, but I've been working with multiple computer systems</div></span></blockquote>for years. When I bought a Mac to use at home do you suppose that Microsoft would give me a cross</div><div>grade price when I purchased Office for Mac? Or that Adobe would give me a special price when I</div><div>bought Photoshop again? I think not, nor would I expect them to. So I was very pleasantly surprised</div><div>when, in the last week, Dean Reyburn replied to my question posted on his cybertuner list that if I</div><div>wanted to cross grade from my Pocket PC version of Cyber Tuner to a Macbook version ($895)that it</div><div>would cost $100. plus S/H since I had bought the pocket version within the last year. This is more than </div><div>fair as I could easily sell the Pocket PC WITH an intact version of RCT and chortle to the bank. I have enough</div><div>scruples to not do this, but Dean doesn't know that. Whatever version you like is the version you should</div><div>use. I personally chose RCT due in large part to it's ease of use and it's recommendation by my mentor.</div><div>If he had been using Tunelab maybe that is what I would be using now but my customers are happy and</div><div>that is what is important at the end of the day.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="#0000ff" link="#0000ff" bgcolor="#d8d0c8" id="role_body" bottommargin="7" leftmargin="7" topmargin="7" rightmargin="7" style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; "><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Cy Shuster" <<a href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cy@shusterpiano.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 12:26:14 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: RTC/tune lab thing</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Cy Shuster <<a href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cy@shusterpiano.com</a>>, Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div><font size="2">Sure... there's no way for Dean (or Robert) to know that you've stopped using either the laptop or the PDA. You might have sold the old system with the software still on it.</font></div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2">Robert does give a $100 discount if you already own another (paid) version.</font></div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2">It's also quite normal to discontinue support on old operating systems. It's double the work to build and test on two different OS's, just like on two different hardware platforms. And what if you want to take advantage of new OS features that aren't on the old one?</font></div><div><font size="2"></font> </div><div><font size="2">--Cy--</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="pianotuner@embarqmail.com" href="mailto:pianotuner@embarqmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Alan Barnard</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:46 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: RTC/tune lab thing</div><div><br></div><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><a href="http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007" target="_new" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "> </a>Whoa, there. Don't lay that charge at Dean's feet, or at least not only Dean. Switching platforms like that would also cost money with Tunelab, though he gives a $100 discount, I think.<br><br>Alan Barnard<br>Salem, MO<br><br></span></font></div><div style="padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 3px; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 5px; "><hr>Original message<br>From: "Dean May"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><deanmay@pianorebuilders.com> </deanmay@pianorebuilders.com><br>To: "Pianotech List"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><pianotech@ptg.org> </pianotech@ptg.org><br>Received: 12/1/2007 7:38:27 PM<br>Subject: RE: RTC/tune lab thing<br><br><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">>.have actually paid for the program twice now, once for the lap top version then when I switched to the PDA. </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Ditto.</span></font><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Arial" color="#000080" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; "></span></font> </p><div><p class="MsoAutoSig" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font face="Bradley Hand ITC" color="#000080" size="6"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 22pt; color: navy; ">Dean</span></font></b><font color="#000080"><span style="color: navy; "> </span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000080" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">Dean May cell 812.239.3359</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000080" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" color="#000080" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">Terre Haute</span></font><font color="#000080"><span style="color: navy; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IN 47802</span></font></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" width="100%" size="2"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Steve Blasyak<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:12 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RTC/tune lab thing</span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span></font> </p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Hey Now,<br> <br>Yes Dean, I think if you read my post that's exactly what I said. If you up grade to Windows Mobil 5.0 it cost you $$$$$. I just thought I'd point out that prior to changing the Operating System/ PDA upgrades were provided free, that's all. I understand your beef as well, and believe me I am ticked off too. Because I have been a loyal customer for ten years and love the program. I have actually paid for the program twice now, once for the lap top version then when I switched to the PDA. I buy a new PDA and find out I have to pay yet again. That is if I decide to continue using RCT. Tune Lab here I come.<br> <br>Steve Blasyak<br>Orange County Ca.<br> <br>Pura Vida </span></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><hr align="center" width="100%" size="2"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007" target="_new" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Connect now!</a></span></font></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> </p></div></blockquote><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Cy Shuster" <<a href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cy@shusterpiano.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 2:52:11 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Accepting credit cards</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Cy Shuster <<a href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cy@shusterpiano.com</a>>, Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div><font face="Verdana Ref">You can create a PayPal account for free, and accept the occasional credit card for a fee of something like $3-$5 per $100. Your customer needs only an email address and web access, and does not have to join PayPal (last time I checked).</font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref"></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana Ref">Strangely, many government customers prefer to use plastic (prisons, community colleges).</font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref"></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana Ref">--Cy--</font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref"></font> </div><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Jon Page <<a href="mailto:jonpage@comcast.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jonpage@comcast.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 6:32:51 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Need Bechstein cheekblocks...</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Can you track down the missing blocks? Or locate a similar<br>piano and duplicate the blocks? It will be very difficult to<br>design them from scratch considering the type and location<br>of the frame registering pins, indexing dowels for the keybed<br>and maybe fallboard hinges/notches.<br>Then you'll have to apply a finish.<br><br>Contact the manufacturer, and retrofit a new pair.<br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jon Page<br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Dean May" <<a href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">deanmay@pianorebuilders.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 7:32:10 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"'Pianotech List'" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: Need Bechstein cheekblocks...</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>You might try fabricating some out of Styrofoam. Just glue several pieces<br>together to get the right thickness and carve out the shape you need. Then<br>take them to a woodworker for duplication.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Dean<br><br>Dean May cell 812.239.3359<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Terre Haute IN 47802<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<br>Of Jon Page<br>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:33 AM<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>Subject: Need Bechstein cheekblocks...<br><br>Can you track down the missing blocks? Or locate a similar<br>piano and duplicate the blocks? It will be very difficult to<br>design them from scratch considering the type and location<br>of the frame registering pins, indexing dowels for the keybed<br>and maybe fallboard hinges/notches.<br>Then you'll have to apply a finish.<br><br>Contact the manufacturer, and retrofit a new pair.<br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Jon Page<br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"David Boyce" <<a href="mailto:David@piano.plus.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">David@piano.plus.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 7:05:50 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Whadayathink of this piano sound?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Gary,<br><br>Sorry, I didn't express myself properly.<br><br>In fact I am "pro" digital recording. I totally agree with all your comments regarding wow & flutter, and the challenge of recording piano sound.<br><br>I have an interesting HiFi CD audio recorder. It's a Philips CDR785, which I don't think they made many of. Ths unique thing about it is that it has a quarter-inch tereo jack socket on the front to take a stereo mic (or two mics via an adaptor) and you can record from an acoustical audio source straight onto CD. On subsequent models they removed that feature. I've used it to record a piano and song recital and it worked very well. It's not, of course, really intended for portable use.<br><br>What I was getting at, really, was the *universality of access* of cassette tape in former times. I had in mind a musical couple locally, she a singer and he an accompanist and organist. They had a JVC "ghetto blaster" type machine for years, which made decent stereo recordings from its built-in mics. They could record an accompaniment for a choir member and hand over the casette, very easily played on any other machine. And they always recorded their own recitals. For myself, for years I carried around a Philips D6920 Audio-Visual stereo cassette recorder and two mics, and made some nice recordings at various events. The next model up was the Sony Professional Walkman, too expensive for me.<br><br>Well, three or four years ago, my friends' JVC packed in, and the belts on my Philips started to get slack. At that time - and I know things are changing now - it was difficult to find any ready replacement to do the things my friends wanted to do - easily make recordings they could hand over, etc. Nor would personnel in audio stores be of much help, for it's rather a "niche market", making stereo audio recordings from live sources on the move.<br><br>I accept that in the intervening time, things have moved on. MP3 players are now ubiquitous, and many offer a facility to record. In most cases, however, the use of a PC will be involved at some point, if you want to, for example, make a copy of an accomplaniment to hand over to a choir member.<br><br>Nor do manufacturers seem to want to make it easy to record in stereo from accoustical sources - it's not what the industry is about - they want you to buy packaged commercially produced music, not make and record your own!<br><br>So, I think what I meant was, things are not QUITE "there yet", in terms of going into a store and saying "I want to make a recording of the church choir this week and give copies to some members to let them listen. Sell me a device to do that, my old cassette machine is bust". I think a lots of store personnel would struggle.<br><br>I am certainly not one of those, by the way, who say that vinyl is better than CD!<br><br>Best,<br><br>David.<br><br><br><br>David,<br><br>'"...but things are not quite "there" yet..." Are you serious? Digital<br>recording is fantastic. Easy to use portable digital recorders are readily<br>available. No previous method of recording can compare with digital<br>regarding. Digital recording devastates all the previous methods regarding<br>fidelity, including wow and flutter, harmonic distortion, noise and dynamic<br>range, not to mention the economy of storage mediums, random access<br>capability, ability to edit and modify sound, etc. Of course, the piano has<br>historically been one of the best instruments to record as a test of a<br>recording medium as it has a huge dynamic range and especially the fact that<br>wow and flutter is very noticeable when recording piano. A piano's sound is<br>dead solid when it comes to sustaining a uniform pitch as notes decay, so<br>any wow or flutter is noticed. This is unlike woodwinds and bowed<br>instruments. There is virtually no wow and flutter with the digital medium.<br><br>Interestingly enough, George Martin has said that those who don't like what<br>they sound like when recorded digitally and want to use analog tape instead,<br>need to address what it is about their sound that needs to be "fixed" by the<br>distortion of analog tape.<br><br><br>Gary Fluke<br>Snohomish, WA<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"David Boyce" <<a href="mailto:David@piano.plus.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">David@piano.plus.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 7:18:49 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Whadayathink of this piano sound?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>I have covered myself in opprobrium and I now grovel shamefully in it.<br><br>Ron, the work you and Kent have done on that piano - and others - is fascinating, and surely worthy of the utmost plaudit. I've followed discussions on here about the treble fish etc with great interest, as one who has no experience of rebuild or redesign. These issues are intriguing, and in this age it seems to fall to dedicated individuals like you to explore taking piano design forward.<br><br>I was remarking to Kent how in my area there are lots of late 19th century quality uprights, and how at that time you could see makers experimenting with design features. In today's commercial world there seems to be much less inclination on the part of piano makers to do do.<br><br>With regard to the sound files: I would never have identified the piano as being - or as having been! - a Steinway B, from the overall sound. The tenor and treble to me on my HiFi sounded very different, most lively and interesting. I did think that I detected a certain Steinway quality in the bass, but I fully concede that I may have been reading that back in, having read that it started as a Steinway B. And curiously, on my tiny and ineffective laptop speakers, the sound does seem to take on a certain plangent Bosendorfer-ish quality. Not a fair method of assessment however.<br><br>The bottom line is that I'd love to hear it live, to fully apreciate it!<br><br>I always enjoy the fascinating technical stuff in your posts Ron, and your humour.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>David.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">I also find<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that it doesn't have the Bosendorfer-ish quality I thought I deteceted<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on the tiny laptop speakers, and I can hear the Steinway pedigree, but<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the piano sounding very fresh and lovely and lively.<br></blockquote><br>No, you don't. There's very little in that piano that's still<br>Steinway.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">The old Steinway B's seem to restore so well.<br></blockquote><br>This one isn't remotely restored - it's heavily redesigned. It<br>has a new string scale, new bridges, bass separated from the<br>tenor, with a nine note transition bridge in the low tenor,<br>new soundboard, with more ribs than the original, fanned and<br>deeply crowned for support with very low panel compression,<br>extra rim and belly rail bracing, a big bass cutoff, and a<br>treble fish. The plate is also modified with vertical hitch<br>pins, and elimination of both the front and rear tuned<br>duplexes. That's not Steinway you hear in there, it's my way<br>and Kent's way. This dog has a different pedigree.<br><br>Ron N<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:Byeway222@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Byeway222@aol.com</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 8:02:04 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Whadayathink of this piano sound?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><font id="role_document" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2"><div>Hi there,</div><div>I haven't been following this thread at all I'm afraid, so I may be repeating whay others have said.</div><div>The recording gadget which is all the rage at present appears to be the Roland Edirol R-90. It records piano superbly in uncompressed CD quality sound. It has reverb facility and downloads onto PC.</div><div><a href="http://www.EDIROL.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.EDIROL.net</a></div><div> </div><div>ric</div></font><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Scott Jackson" <<a href="mailto:ScottWayneJackson@hotmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ScottWayneJackson@hotmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 8:13:56 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"'Pianotech List'" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: David Andersen's whole-note tuning</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Thanks David, that's what I wanted to know. And thanks to Bob Hull and John<br>Formsma for further illumination of the topic.<br><br>Scott Jackson<br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Annie Grieshop" <<a href="mailto:annie@allthingspiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">annie@allthingspiano.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 8:40:48 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Cy Shuster" <<a href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">cy@shusterpiano.com</a>>, "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: Accepting credit cards</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:annie@allthingspiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">annie@allthingspiano.com</a>, Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><div><span class="500483714-02122007"><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#0000ff">If you accept credit cards on your PayPal account, you will pay a % fee on ALL payments received through that account, cash as well as credit. My work-around is to have two PayPal accounts -- one for credit cards and one for cash. A bit cumbersome, but it works (and saves me $.04 on every virtual cash dollar!). </font></span></div><div><span class="500483714-02122007"><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div><div><span class="500483714-02122007"><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#0000ff">Annie</font></span></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Cy Shuster [<a href="mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:cy@shusterpiano.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, December 02, 2007 2:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Pianotech List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Accepting credit cards<br><br></font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref">You can create a PayPal account for free, and accept the occasional credit card for a fee of something like $3-$5 per $100. Your customer needs only an email address and web access, and does not have to join PayPal (last time I checked).</font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref"></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana Ref">Strangely, many government customers prefer to use plastic (prisons, community colleges).</font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref"></font> </div><div><font face="Verdana Ref">--Cy--</font></div><div><font face="Verdana Ref"></font> </div></blockquote><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Ron Nossaman <<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rnossaman@cox.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 9:20:46 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Whadayathink of this piano sound?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">I have covered myself in opprobrium and I now grovel shamefully in it.<br></blockquote><br>No no, don't do that! I was letting you know that if you heard Steinway in there, it was either the lingering ghost of the previous incarnation leeching out of the tone collector, or as you said, judging the sound from the name. Sort of like recognizing old Bessy from the taste of the hamburger. Hey, I even removed the mystic bell, and put in a brace and nose bolt instead. Not many of the original patent features left in that piano.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">I was remarking to Kent how in my area there are lots of late 19th century quality uprights, and how at that time you could see makers experimenting with design features. In today's commercial world there seems to be much less inclination on the part of piano makers to do do.<br></blockquote><br>Yes, and it's a shame. Manufacturers now have a design kit of off the shelf "features" to stick into the initial CAD drawing of any new design with what seems to be little apparent understanding of it's contribution to the ultimate function of the instrument. No one needs to understand, or try to find out, how anything works to do that, so few bother. Even most of those that do care stick very close to the center of their established path so the pianos produced still too often have similar tonal problems to those they produced a hundred years ago when they quit prospecting and started mining. Some few, thankfully, are still doing some prospecting now and then.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">The bottom line is that I'd love to hear it live, to fully apreciate it!<br></blockquote><br>In person, it's very - lush.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">I always enjoy the fascinating technical stuff in your posts Ron, and your humour.<br></blockquote><br>Thanks, but it *is* just me, after all.<br>Ron N<br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Erwinspiano@aol.com</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 9:47:59 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Steinway & Sons Watches</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><font id="role_document" face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2"><div><div> A friend wrote me this reply. It was a bit humorous:</div><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; "><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2" style="background-color: transparent; "><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="312501812-01122007">Hey Dale</span></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="312501812-01122007"></span> </div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="312501812-01122007">Thanks for the catalogues. Christmas shopping is now solved! By the way, does it say how much prep work has to be done before these things work properly? This will be good for the economy. Just think how much work it will mean to watch repair shops! I just wonder if their customers will also insist upon using over-priced under-performing "Genuine" Steinway parts to fix their watches and speakers.</span></div></font></blockquote></div><div></div><div> Anonymous</div></font><br><br><br><div><font style="color: black; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; "><hr style="margin-top: 10px; ">Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001" href="http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">hottest products</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002" href="http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">top money wasters</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of 2007.</font></div><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Ron Nossaman <<a href="mailto:rnossaman@cox.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rnossaman@cox.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 10:07:06 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Re: Steinway & Sons Watches</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"> Thanks for the catalogues. Christmas shopping is now solved! By the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> way, does it say how much prep work has to be done before these<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> things work properly? This will be good for the economy. Just think<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> how much work it will mean to watch repair shops! I just wonder if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> their customers will also insist upon using over-priced<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> under-performing "Genuine" Steinway parts to fix their watches and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> speakers.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Anonymous<br></blockquote><br><br>The watches are certainly too ugly to own, but I am curious what the Steinway tick sounds like.<br>Ron N<br><br><br><br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">"Porritt, David" <<a href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dporritt@mail.smu.edu</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">December 2, 2007 10:39:40 AM CST<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><<a href="mailto:l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net</a>>, "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>RE: left-handed tuning</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.498039); "><b>Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br></span></div><br><br>Les:<br><br>I can't 'splain it, I just do it. I've tried left handed and though<br>there are several jobs I do naturally left handed, tuning isn't one of<br>them. I really, Really wish I had become ambidextrous as I was learning<br>but now at my age the attempt is too slow and the result too painful to<br>pursue that goal. My hammer technique has changed somewhat over the<br>years, now mostly driven by the damage to my tuning hand. The biggest<br>improvement has come with the purchase of a Fujan tuning lever. I use<br>the long handle because it makes tight pins easier to turn and because<br>there is NO flex in the lever as there is in "normal" tuning levers that<br>are extended. Since it is so stiff you feel every movement and makes<br>your tuning that much better. So I'm still learning new techniques,<br>it's just that left handed tuning isn't one of them!<br><br>dave<br><br>____________________<br>David M. Porritt, RPT<br><a href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dporritt@smu.edu</a><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On<br>Behalf Of Leslie Bartlett<br>Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:23 PM<br>To: 'Pianotech List'<br>Subject: RE: left-handed tuning<br><br>Uhm, I sure don't see Dave Porritt chiming in anywhere. Hey DAVE- you<br>gonna<br>chime in?????????????????????????????????????? I spent a day with him<br>when I first couldn't figure out TL 97, and he tunes right handed, 3:00,<br>straight arm. Dumbest thing in the whole world I thought. Then he<br>would<br>set his fingers on top of the plate (verticals) and ever so gently lift<br>the<br>hammer just a tiny bit with his thumb, and the darned things slipped in<br>like<br>they had been glued. I wish he'd "splain it, cause it worked like a<br>charm,<br>and he says there's good data to support that style of tuning. It sure<br>worked beautifully for him. After that, I decided that "what works for<br>someone works for someone", and I'll never criticize a hammer technique<br>again. that was an amazing demonstration to me because it worked so<br>well<br>and so consistently.<br>les bartlett<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On<br>Behalf<br>Of Ron Nossaman<br>Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:25 PM<br>To: Pianotech List<br>Subject: Re: left-handed tuning<br><br>Michelle Smith wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks to everyone for your informative responses! The reason I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">started thinking about all of this was because of a piano I never want<br></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite">to see again. (Ha Ha!) It was a school upright that had been sitting<br></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite">in a small practice room forever. Something had happened with the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">pinblock and the pins would barely move! When I tuned left handed, I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">seemed to have to bring the string really far sharp to get the pin to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">move even slightly. One of the strings broke and many others were<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">probably on their way. When I switched to my right hand, the pins<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">moved a little easier. My theory is that the point of pressure is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">different when tuning left handed (upward) as opposed to right handed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(downward) and that particular piano just couldn't take it.<br></blockquote><br>What's happening is pin flex - flag poling, and twist. Pulling in the<br>direction of the string (down, in a vertical), you can move the pin<br>quite a<br>ways in the block and barely hear the pitch change. Then you let the<br>pressure off and it goes sharp.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Pushing up left handed opposite the direction of the string, the<br>opposite<br>happens. There's a hammer position for verticals that, when you're<br>pulling<br>in the right direction, the downward pin flex very nearly equals the<br>twist<br>you're putting in the pin, and when you let go, they cancel and the<br>pitch<br>doesn't change. It's not a magic bullet, it's just another of a hundred<br>things you notice in tuning, and adapt for as you go.<br>Ron N<br><br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1160 - Release Date:<br>11/29/2007<br>8:32 PM<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Pianotech list info<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Jeffrey Cutler</div><div>Piano & Fretted Instrument Service</div><div>651-398-6293</div><div><a href="mailto:jwcpianotech@gmail.com">jwcpianotech@gmail.com</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>