<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Key Lead Replacement</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This would have been more like mid 80's or so.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 21, 2007 10:43 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Key Lead Replacement</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV align=left>I had just got out of Western Iowa Tech and eventually ended up in San Francisco.   The Journal had an ad for a fellow Hawaii selling his business or looking for someone to take over.   I called him and we talked and he decided to bring over someone with more experience...probably that was Leonard <FONT face=Arial size=2>Hanacheck...that was back around 1977 or so...not sure of the time...but it was someone from the Bay Area that got the gig...</FONT><BR><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR><BR> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "Willem Blees" <WIMBLEES@AOL.COM> </WIMBLEES@AOL.COM><BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Received: 12/20/2007 10:59:03 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Key Lead Replacement<BR><BR> <DIV align=left>Fenton</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No, I've not met Leonard yet. The Hawaii Chapter hasn't met for about 20 years. So when I got here, we got the meetings started again. The first one was in October, and the next one will be in January. Maybe he'll come for that. But if he doesn't, it is certainly understandable. A round trip air ticket is $100, and the new ferry is also about that much. Add to that a night in a hotel, with the cheapest being around $150, and you can see that going to a meeting takes on a whole different priority. <BR><BR><BR>Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<BR>Piano Tuner/Technician<BR>Honolulu, HI<BR>Author of <BR>The Business of Piano Tuning<BR>available from Potter Press<BR>www.pianotuning.com</DIV><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Fenton Murray <fmurray@cruzio.com><BR>To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 8:07 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Key Lead Replacement<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_800b0e46-fd48-459a-8c49-0a2bb62d56ca> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wim,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry for the delay, I don't get on the list very often. I haven't been to Hawaii for 7 or 8 years or so. When I was there all I did was surf and hang out, so I can understand where you're coming from. Ever run into Leonard Hanacheck, he's a tech from around San Jose that moved to Maui maybe 20 years ago. Say hi from me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fenton</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wimblees@aol.com href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 30, 2007 9:16 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Key Lead Replacement</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><WBR> </WBR> Fenton.<BR><BR>When I moved to Hawaii, I got rid of all my big tools. All I have is a 6' table that I set up in my garage, which I use as my bench. My only other expense is a the chisel and the shellac. <BR><BR> <DIV style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<BR>Piano Tuner/Technician<BR>Honolulu, HI<BR>Author of <BR>The Business of Piano Tuning<BR>available from Potter Press<BR><A href="http://www.pianotuning.com/" target=_blank>www.pianotuning.com</A></DIV><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Fenton Murray <<A href="mailto:fmurray@cruzio.com">fmurray@cruzio.com</A>><BR>To: Pianotech List <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 7:30 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Key Lead Replacement<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_3_63751125-687f-4403-b0d4-f31cbadef690> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I get your point, Wim. It would certainly take me no more than 2 hrs, probably less. It is much more enjoyable and satisfying to me to press out the old and install the new. Problem solved, no more splitting keys, looks great, less filling. I'm sure I could replace the leads in the same amount of time it would take me to shave and seal them. See attached photo of modified arbor press from Dana M., it's a joy to use tools like this. And no lead dust. Well, maybe a little.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fenton</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wimblees@aol.com href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:07 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Key Lead Replacement</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Fenton Murray <<A href="mailto:fmurray@cruzio.com">fmurray@cruzio.com</A>><BR>To: Pianotech List <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 4:01 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Key Lead Replacement<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_be44017e-e2d5-4ce8-b6f2-787d88a669d3> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why not just replace the leads.<BR><BR><BR>It takes me about 1 hour to shave off leads and shellac them.  Can you replace an entire set of leads in that amount of time?<BR><BR>Wim<BR><BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wimblees@aol.com href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:26 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Key Lead Replacement</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Terry</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This question was asked several months ago. Here on Hawaii, we have a lot of growing key lead problems. Around here we shave them off with a chisel flush with the side of the key, and then give each lead a shot of Shellac to seal them in. That seems to do the trick. But so far, I've not encountered any Yamaha's with this problem. So this might be something new. <BR></DIV> <DIV style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<BR>Piano Tuner/Technician<BR>Honolulu, HI<BR>Author of <BR>The Business of Piano Tuning<BR>available from Potter Press<BR><A href="http://www.pianotuning.com/" target=_blank>www.pianotuning.com</A></DIV><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Farrell <<A href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR>Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 1:08 pm<BR>Subject: Key Lead Replacement<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_98c4c26e-9ae4-428f-9c19-7c79a63180b2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Looked at a 30 yo (guess) Yamaha G2 grand today with keys sticking. It has growing key leads. Never seen that on a Yamaha before. Grinding marks on many of the keys indicate that the leads were ground down previously. I'm recommending that they replace all key leads.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I've leaded keys as part of setting up an action. But I've never just blindly replaced the leads, trying to duplicate the original setup. I know that the owners definitely want to go minimal cost with this one (Elk's Lodge).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Seems to me leads are often of slightly different sizes, lengths, etc. If you are not carefully measuring Front Weights, etc., what the heck do you do? Seems to me the fastest way would be to pop the old lead out, weigh it, grab a lead of the same diameter, trim it to the original weight and install. Or is that just too trashy an approach? Do I tell them that we need to do a traditional weigh-off (but we can't because action center friction hasn't been addressed, etc.)? Evaluate the original FW curve and duplicate it (but that will mean some plugging, etc., i.e. more cost)? What is an acceptable, minimal approach?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell<BR>Farrell Piano</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><A href="http://www.farrellpiano.com/" target=_blank>www.farrellpiano.com</A><BR><A href="mailto:terry@farrellpiano.com">terry@farrellpiano.com</A></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=AOLPromoFooter> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> More new features than ever. 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