<div>Gary -</div> <div> </div> <div>Only you can see the condition of the finish, so any suggestions I might make should be taken in lieu of that. Finishes that are in relatively good condition offer multiple possible remedies, finishes in poor condition offer fewer avenues. </div> <div> </div> <div>It WOULD seem that given your multiple cleaning treatments, surely the finish is free of contaminants, so... here are some options that come to mind ( I am assuming you do not have spray equipment?):</div> <div> </div> <div>1) choose a particularly objectional piece, scuff sand with 320-400, wipe clean w/mineral spirits, liberally apply a dark scratch-cover polish, wipe off after 10-15 minutes or so. Wait a day or so to see if you like the results. The most low-tech approach, that in the right situation yields pretty good results with very little effort or expense.</div> <div> </div> <div>2) as above, but
instead of applying scratch cover, apply a thinned wiping varnish. Several recipes have been advocated on the forum over the years. May take more than one coat. May require final rubbing to ensure even sheed thruout.</div> <div> </div> <div>3) if above fails, strip and start over. Lotsa work!</div> <div> </div> <div>Mark Potter</div> <div>West Jefferson, OH</div> <div> </div> <div><BR><B><I>Gary Fluke <gary.fluke@verizon.net></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Calibri; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
"Times New Roman","serif" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-style-type: personal-reply } .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-style-type: export-only } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Greg,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I tried alchohol but that didn't do it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial>Gary</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=gnewell@ameritech.net href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net">Greg Newell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:14 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Ebony finish</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Gary,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> Could it be that the finish is reacting to the water in the mixture of Murphy’s? Would denatured alcohol remove the white “residue”?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Perhaps it’s worth a try if you haven’t already.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Greg Newell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Greg's Piano Forté<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d;
FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A href="http://www.gregspianoforte.com/">www.gregspianoforte.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">216-226-3791 (office)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">216-470-8634 (mobile)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></div> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
<A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gary Fluke<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Ebony finish<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><o:p> </o:p></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Mike,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This piano has been messed about with somehow. When washing the case with Murphy's Oil Soap the finish turns milky white as if there is a residue of some kind. I've tried every solvent I have on hand and nothing removes it. I have scrubbed it with detergents and
solvents with a stiff nylon-bristle brush with no luck. If it weren't for this problem, I would leave it in natural wood. But, since I'll have to strip it, I'm considering the ebony finish. Thanks for your input.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Gary</SPAN><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=IFixPianos@yahoo.com href="mailto:IFixPianos@yahoo.com">Michael Magness</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Monday, December 31, 2007 5:18 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re: Ebony finish<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><o:p> </o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><o:p> </o:p></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">On Dec 31, 2007 11:50 AM, Gary Fluke <<A href="mailto:gary.fluke@verizon.net">gary.fluke@verizon.net</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div> <DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I have a Mason and Hamlin console from 1957. The walnut finish could stand to be done over again. These pianos were also available in an ebony finish when new. How would one apply an ebony finish to my piano?
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Gary Fluke</SPAN><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Snohomish, WA</SPAN><o:p></o:p></div></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><BR>Walnut is a nice looking wood even by todays standards, when refinished right. The work it would take to re-do it in ebony would certainly be as much if not more as redoing it in it's "original" color. Everyone isn't looking for Oak or Cherry there are those who still believe that classic woods like walnut, pecan, even black walnut and other less used woods today are still classics. <o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
<DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"> <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">A friend who used to, every so often, get a blonde beater from a school or church, would redo them in ebony simply because no one wanted blonde pianos. Stripping a blonde piano to the point where it will accept a decent stain is usually more trouble than it is worth because they have so much filler in them. He would use bondo to fill the nicks and gouges, coat it with a primer then several coats of black lacquer and 3 or 4 coats of clearcoat. <o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><BR clear=all>Mike<BR>-- <BR>The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.<BR>Michael Magness<BR>Magness Piano Service<BR>608-786-4404<BR><A href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/">www.IFixPianos.com</A><BR>email <A href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com">mike@ifixpianos.com</A>
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