<html> <body> At 08:08 AM 1/4/2008, Paul T. Williams wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Israel, It looks to me like the two caul method is much older than the mid 80's. That's just when Bill learned about it from Del. Hey, Del,  Do you know how old the two caul system is? Paul </blockquote> I realize that, Paul. So is the method embodied in the Bushmaster - people are posting about tools they ran across similar to it long before the 80's. The discussion here, however, started out about the commercial availability of a product - I believe that whoever started this thread stated that the Bushmaster was commercially available before the Spurlock system. And someone else took issue with that. And the evidence is that the Bushmaster was commercially available before the Spurlock system. As far as how old the two methods really are - I don't think it is possible to find out who invented which when. Any claims to that effect would be unprovable... Israel Stein </body> </html>