<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16587" name=GENERATOR><o:SmartTagType name="PostalCode" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="State" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="City" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType name="PersonName" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE>  </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV>I converted over to T8 lighting, it's great. Another danger of PVC for air is if it gets hit it will fracture.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=deanmay@pianorebuilders.com href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">Dean May</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:06 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: workshop set-up</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> I haven’t done this yet but have read an article on it and am convinced it would be a good way to go for my uninsulated concrete floor. Lay down panels of Styrofoam insulation board 1” thick. Then install a floating laminate floor with the snap/glue together planks. The Styrofoam is moisture resistant, but not a moisture barrier. This will keep moisture from getting trapped under the floor system. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Another consideration is lighting. I invested in several 8’ double fluorescent fixtures. They cost close to $100 each with the bulbs and they buzz. I would not do this again. I would use the screw in compact fluorescent bulbs. You can get them with 200 watt equivalent light output for about $8/bulb. Add the cost of a plastic fixture, about $1.50, and you’ve got less than $10 per fixture. They don’t buzz and 2 of them put out more light for less energy consumption and a whole lot less money. They also sell a version of them in a dusk to dawn fixture with 400 watt equivalent for about $50. I haven’t played with any of those. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’m not saying I did it but I know a guy who also ran plastic water piping for shop air. This is dangerous because pressure spikes in the system can cause the plastic to explode sending dangerous shards. But he ran all of the plastic inside the walls and ceiling for safety. Any exposed piping was metal. Having compressed air outlets around the shop is really handy. This guy normally keeps his air pressure around 50 (keeps the kids from blowing up bike tires) and doesn’t use any equipment with snap solenoid valves. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> Dean<o:p></o:p> <U1:PERSONNAME u2:st="on">Dean May</U1:PERSONNAME>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <U1:PLACE u2:st="on"><U1:CITY u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></U1:CITY> <U1:STATE u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</U1:STATE></st1:State>  <U1:POSTALCODE u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</U1:POSTALCODE></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></U1:PLACE><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Fenton Murray Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:22 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: workshop set-up<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> This is my 2nd reply to this post.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> As I mentioned twice before, dust collection should be a priority. Also, not mentioned is consideration of a wooden floor. I have two 550sf buildings both of which have slab floors. I laid a wooden floor in one a couple of years ago, can't wait to do my other. A raised floor and a ceiling with insulated attic will really help to maintain an even climate, all of this is good for the pianos and the people working on them.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Fenton<o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> From: <A title=ceralon@comcast.net href="mailto:ceralon@comcast.net">Carlos Ralon</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:20 AM<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Subject: Re: workshop set-up<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <DIV> After over 50 years of working in half the space that Isaac has, I have just finished a 28x40' shop in a new gambrel roofed pole barn, insulated and heated, with metal roof and sides.  My wife is assured that I'm nuts, but now my son-in-law (an RPT) and I can restore in comfort without tripping over tools and piano parts. We farm out SB's and refinishing, always installing blocks and actions in nearly every piano.  We do have the essential shop equipment for medium to heavy restoration.  I just spent most of my kids inheirance.  Oh yes, I still tune about 200 pianos a year and oil steam engines on Liberty Ships.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Carlos Ralon, RPT <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> P.S.  On Dec. 24th we lost a great supporter of the piano business in the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Washington</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">DC</st1:State></st1:place> area. Bill McCormack Jr, owner of Jordan Kitts Music Co passed away.  The DC chapter met regulary at his main warehouse. He will be missed.  CKR.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> From: <A title=irs.pianos@earthlink.net href="mailto:irs.pianos@earthlink.net">Isaac Sadigursky</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:14 PM<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Subject: workshop set-up<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> Happy New Year!<o:p></o:p> Speaking from experience of working for 3 different piano dealers in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Los Angeles</st1:City></st1:place> in 1974-85 ,  I would  recommend to start any workshop with:<o:p></o:p> 1]work bench or two or three<o:p></o:p> 2]AIR compressor is a must  to clean dirty pianos and actions and then  in my shop I got addicted to air- driven tools<o:p></o:p> 3]at least a couple  of old file cabinets to keep parts dust-free,moth-mouse-rats free and well organized..<o:p></o:p> 4]Plan for the future and have some folding chairs to host local PTG meetings.Dealerships and workshop are the BEST meeting places.Separate  area to store Chairs,coffee pot,etc.would be nessesary,too…<o:p></o:p> I  would love to see Listers  adding their preferences in tools and supplies.This is just a start….My 3-car garage is MY Territory plus an outdoor area for tools and parts…<o:p></o:p>   Best wishes for New Year to everyone on the List…<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>