<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>Re: Korean Dip</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"/> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"/> <style> P { MARGIN: 0px } </style> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div align="left">Wow. Thanks to all who responded on this. There is such a depth of technical knowledge and experience out there. I am amazed.<br/><br/>For us little ol' country tuners who do little regulation, voicing, rebuilding, etc., it's like a country general practice physician consulting with the professors at a renowned medical school, or something. What that translates to besides being very impressed, and a little humbled, is that I can actually understand what you and Bob and Dave (et al) have to say, but translating it into something I will (a) remember and (b) be able to use to any real advantage in my work on the next rare occasion to use it .... well, that remains to be seen.<br/><br/>Were I a much younger person--and this by way of advice to the lurkers out there who are early in your piano tech careers--I would aggressively look for an opportunity to apprentice or otherwise work under the tutelage such talented people. This, especially, if you are interested in high end tuning, concert work, rebuilding, etc.<br/><br/>Alan Barnard<br/>Salem, MO<br/><br/> <div style="padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px; border-left: #000000 3px solid; padding-top: 5px"> <hr/>Original message<br/>From: "Roger Jolly" <roger.j@sasktel.net> </roger.j@sasktel.net><br/>To: pianotuner@embarqmail.com, "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> </pianotech@ptg.org><br/>Received: 1/30/2008 6:47:10 PM<br/>Subject: Re: Korean Dip<br/><br/> <div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">Interesting topic.  Key dip, after touch , and what I call the sponge zone. Is very interactice collection.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Now 10mm dip is a very common parameter for grand dip. After touch, can vary greatly depending what is going on in the sponge zone.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Many Korean grand's have a balance rail hole that is in the 5-7mm range of height.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">My research has shown that a spruce, or basswood key needs to be 4mm max for height.  Maple shoed keys need only be 3mm.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">These heights give an adequate safety factor, with regards to wear, and eventual pulley keys.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">With a tall balance rail hole, the key starts to bind before escapement occurs, after touch will appear to vary from a very soft to a firm touch. A little under 4mm BR hole ht. .015" after touch is usually attainable. A 7mm hole you will need .050 to .060" of after touch to get the piano to feel right.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Some of the older Samick key boards reaming the mortise from 7mm down to 4mm will result in dip going from 11mm to 10mm.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Moral of the story. Measure and correct the balance rail holes before refining dip and after touch.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Now I'll crawl back under my rock.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards Roger.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">PS  37 steps should be 1 37 steps in some cases.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">  </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> </font></div> <blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #000000 2px solid; margin-right: 0px"> <div style="font: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="pianotuner@embarqmail.com" href="mailto:pianotuner@embarqmail.com">Alan Barnard</a> </div> <div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </div> <div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:30 PM</div> <div style="font: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Korean Dip</div> <div><br/></div>The subject line does NOT refer to any recipe made with kimchi and sour cream; nor does it refer, at least not directly, to any geeky little man from South <a title="Uijeongbu" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uijeongbu"><font color="#000000">Uijeongbu</font></a>.<br/><br/>Rather it is this: I'm working on a Hyundai grand. Anyone have a key dip measurement for these? It seems to be about 10 mm which is a littler deeper than 3/8"<br/><br/>Who actually makes these pianos? I assume it's from China.<br/><br/>Alan Barnard<br/>Salem, MO<br/> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>