Hmmm, Mike, I'm confused. The <a href="http://boesendorfer.com">boesendorfer.com</a> link from Arnold contains a date (12/20) which is subsequent to the date (11/19) of your copy/pasted "post to Ric". The following link to a <a href="http://forbes.com">forbes.com</a> item indicates (also with a date [11/30] subsequent to your post's) that Brodmann was unable to beat a considerable bid from the Yamahampsters.<br> <br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ysbbf9">http://tinyurl.com/ysbbf9</a><br><br>Help me/us understand how it is that Boesendorfer is owned by Brodmann.<br><br>Paul Bruesch<br>Stillwater, MN<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 7, 2008 9:18 AM, Michael Magness <<a href="mailto:IFixPianos@yahoo.com">IFixPianos@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 6, 2008 9:56 AM, Arnold Duin <<a href="mailto:aduin@euronet.nl" target="_blank">aduin@euronet.nl</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div>Michael,</div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Yamaha did buy Bosendorfer</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.boesendorfer.com/index.php?menu=89&dsp=100&act=det&id=1471&lang=en" target="_blank">http://www.boesendorfer.com/index.php?menu=89&dsp=100&act=det&id=1471&lang=en</a></font></div> <font color="#888888"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Arnold Duin</font></div></font> <div> <div></div> <div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"> <b>From:</b> <a title="IFixPianos@yahoo.com" href="mailto:IFixPianos@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Michael Magness</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">Pianotech List</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:45 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Yamaha buys Bosendorfer</div> <div><br></div><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 6, 2008 12:50 AM, Richard Brekne <<a href="mailto:ricb@pianostemmer.no" target="_blank">ricb@pianostemmer.no</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">This came up about a month or so back... didnt know it was a final deal.<br>There was another company in the picture and it still seemed a bit up in<br> the air.<br><br>Cheers<br>RicB<br><br><br>   Hey guys. I just read that Yamaha has bought Bosendorfer. You<br>   probably already knew this, but it's news to me. Any comments?<br> Gerald McC<br></blockquote> <div> </div> <div> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><span></span>You remembered right Ric but apparantly they were wrong or premature in their report! This is what was reported at the time.<br> </blockquote></div> <div><br>Piano Maker Bösendorfer Sold<br>By Matthew Westphal<br>November 19, 2007<br>The fabled Austrian piano manufacturer Bösendorfer has been sold for just under €11 million, according to the Austrian national broadcaster ORF and Deutsche Presse-Agentur. The purchaser, Brodmann Pianos of Vienna, beat out rival Yamaha Pianos of Japan. <br> Bösendorfer — whose instruments have been considered to rank at the highest level of quality, alongside those of Steinway, Bechstein and Pleyel — has been struggling financially in recent years, with a loss of €2 million in 2006 and accumulated debt of €8 million, according to DPA. <br> The Austrian banking group BAWAG acquired Bösendorfer in 2001 for about US$25 million; the sale of the piano maker follows the purchase of BAWAG by the US hedge fund Cerberus earlier this year. <br>Brodmann Pianos was founded by Joseph Brodmann, who was the teacher of Ignaz Bösendorfer. The apprentice acquired his master's company and created Bösendorfer Pianos in 1828 (though the two firms subsequently split). Brodmann's current chief, Christian Höferl, is a former Bösendorfer sales executive. <br> According to DPA, Bösendorfer staff demanded guarantees that manufacturing operations would not be moved abroad, maintaining that the Austrian provenance of the company's pianos is an integral part of their identity. <br clear="all"> </div> <div> </div> <div>Mike<br>-- <br>Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.<br>Michael Magness<br>Magness Piano Service<br>608-786-4404<br><a href="http://www.ifixpianos.com/" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com</a><br> email <a href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div> <div><br>Arnold,</div> <div> </div> <div>As I stated in the post to Ric, they were wrong or premature in their report, check the date on the article and PLEASE read ALL of what I write before correcting me!<br clear="all"><br>Mike</div> <div>-- <br>Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.<br>Michael Magness<br>Magness Piano Service<br>608-786-4404<br><a href="http://www.IFixPianos.com" target="_blank">www.IFixPianos.com</a><br> email <a href="mailto:mike@ifixpianos.com" target="_blank">mike@ifixpianos.com</a> </div> </blockquote></div><br>