Rick, And by all means, work -- hard -- on your aural skills at every opportunity. The longer you wait, relying on your SAT, the harder it is to learn the skills that we all need to have to be better tuners. Don't ask me how I know.... Just today, using my SAT for a pitch raise and it suddenly froze when I tried to re-measure flatness. I thought Oh Crap, here I am in the stix with an old upright... I'm sure I'd be able to finish the PR, but tuning reasonably well was very questionable on a marginal piano. I only practice aural skills with "better" pianos, i.e. grands and modern uprights. I've been making (something of) a living at this for 2-1/2 years... I oughtta be better at aural tuning... I'm getting there, little by little, but I definitely use the SAT as a crutch, and I kick myself for not pushing myself much harder much sooner. My 2/100 of a semi-tone... Paul Bruesch Stillwater, MN <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Willem Blees <<a href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">wimblees@aol.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Give your SAT a chance to educate you. But more important, make sure you're tuning the right note, set to the right octave. It's very easy, sometime, to just look at the lights, and not the note and octave setting. </blockquote></div>