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size=2>The beat counter was meant to be a teaching tool, not something you
carried with you. Watches with second hands that actually "mark" each
second (rather than sweeping past) are relatively new, so technicians didn't
have as many options for learning the length of a second.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=031143902-25022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>Annie G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric D.
[mailto:alowd@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:05
PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need info on a couple of
tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thanks
for all of the replies. Joe, the second tool measures about 1.25" x 9"
(estimate). I never would have thought that the tool was a beat counter! I
mounted it on a hammer shank and it does work, but I wonder if and how a
person could use it while one hand was playing intervals and the other was
manipulating a tuning hammer...I suppose that's why the supply houses don't
sell these anymore.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">As
far as the pliers are concerned, they don't work very well. If I try to needle
the shoulders as shown in the photo, the hammer slides around and takes a lot
of effort to accurately penetrate the felt. I tried to use the tool to needle
the sides of the hammer, like the pliers shown on the German website, but the
rod that protrudes from the jaw does not allow the adjustable section to close
much more than the photos show. I think that if I could remove some of
the needles and make some other modifications this might be a usable
tool.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">As
Ron said, I could use it to tenderize something. Maybe I'll just sell it to
someone interesting in body modification. :-)</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thanks
again, everyone.</DIV>
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info on a couple of tools (Annie Grieshop)<BR> 2. Samick "Cat" Grand
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<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>From what I've been told, the second "voicing tool" is actually a "beat
counter". I have one that came from M. Roseburrough's auction, but have
never been entirely clear on its intended function. So I'm
interested, too. Thanks for asking, Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>That first set of pliers is pretty wicked!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>Annie G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric D.
[mailto:alowd@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:53
PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need info on a couple
of tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The other two photos show
another tool that I assume is used for voicing as well. Two of the three
“crossbars” slide along the parallel “rods”. As shown in the last photo, the
middle crossbar has two small needles that protrude about 2-3mm. I would be
very appreciative if anyone could tell me what this is and how to use
it.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Thanks,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Eric Davis, Assoc.,
Birmingham Chapter</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Huntsville , AL
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<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>From what I've been told, the second "voicing tool" is actually a "beat
counter". I have one that came from M. Roseburrough's auction, but have
never been entirely clear on its intended function. So I'm
interested, too. Thanks for asking, Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>That first set of pliers is pretty wicked!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>Annie G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric D.
[mailto:alowd@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:53
PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need info on a couple
of tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The other two photos show
another tool that I assume is used for voicing as well. Two of the three
“crossbars” slide along the parallel “rods”. As shown in the last photo, the
middle crossbar has two small needles that protrude about 2-3mm. I would be
very appreciative if anyone could tell me what this is and how to use
it.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Thanks,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Eric Davis, Assoc.,
Birmingham Chapter</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Huntsville , AL
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<DIV><BR><BR>-----Inline Message Follows-----<BR><BR> <BR>Here you go
Terry. This is the worst caster.. Which brings me to the
next<BR>question. When the lady told me that someone told her it needed
a new<BR>soundboard, I will admit that I wasn't about to go crawling under the
piano<BR>to look at the bottom of the board. It was not cracked, just
some stains on<BR>the top side (and it looks like they will clean up just
fine). The bridges<BR>are fine, as well.
<BR> So, I thought, maybe she heard pinblock, and didn't
know the<BR>difference. So I got out my hammer, tried the pins in the
worst area of the<BR>pins, and they are not loose. The action also
cleaned up very nicely<BR>(protected by the plate, for the most part).
So I thought, soundboard and<BR>block are going to be ok, and bought it for
cheap.<BR> I wonder if the prevailing wisdom of the List
would give me their<BR>advice on the block. I was thinking that maybe I
could get by with<BR>re-drilling the block to get at new wood in the pin
holes, say drill for 3's<BR>or 4's. I wonder at the ability of the plate
bushings to keep most of the<BR>cat problem above the top surface of the
block, or should I just replace the<BR>block and have it over with? I am
thinking that if I remove the plate, and<BR>find out that not much staing has
occurred on the top of the block, maybe<BR>just re-drilling would be
sufficient. What say you all? Clark A.
Sprague,<BR>RPT<BR></DIV> <BR>Here you go Terry. This is the worst
caster. Which brings me to the next<BR>question. When the lady
told me that someone told her it needed a new<BR>soundboard, I will admit that
I wasn't about to go crawling under the piano<BR>to look at the bottom of the
board. It was not cracked, just some stains on<BR>the top side (and it
looks like they will clean up just fine). The bridges<BR>are fine, as
well.. <BR> So, I thought, maybe
she heard pinblock, and didn't know the<BR>difference. So I got out my
hammer, tried the pins in the worst area of the<BR>pins, and they are not
loose. The action also cleaned up very nicely<BR>(protected by the
plate, for the most part). So I thought, soundboard and<BR>block are
going to be ok, and bought it for cheap.<BR> I wonder if the
prevailing wisdom of the List would give me their<BR>advice on the
block. I was thinking that maybe I could get by with<BR>re-drilling the
block to get at new wood in the pin holes, say drill for 3's<BR>or 4's.
I wonder at the ability of the plate bushings to keep most of the<BR>cat
problem above the top surface of the block, or should I just replace
the<BR>block and have it over with? I am thinking that if I remove the
plate, and<BR>find out that not much staing has occurred on the top of the
block, maybe<BR>just re-drilling would be sufficient. What say you
all? Clark A.
Sprague,<BR>RPT<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pianotech
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