<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <STYLE type=text/css>DIV { MARGIN: 0px } </STYLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16609" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This tool goes back to the days before inharmonicity was accounted for in tuning theory, when books promoted the idea of fixed beat rates. It would have done very well for organ tuning.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A patent search will lead you to many gadgets which would have done a pretty sloppy job, at best. Niles Bryant patented a phonograph record with 12 grooves, each groove having a carefully counted number of waves to produce a note in a chromatic ET scale.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed S.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=imatunr@srvinet.com href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">Joe And Penny Goss</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=annie@allthingspiano.com href="mailto:annie@allthingspiano.com">annie@allthingspiano.com</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:17 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Need info on a couple of tools</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Counting the beat rate of F  A?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=annie@allthingspiano.com href="mailto:annie@allthingspiano.com">Annie Grieshop</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:45 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Need info on a couple of tools</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031143902-25022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>The beat counter was meant to be a teaching tool, not something you carried with you.  Watches with second hands that actually "mark" each second (rather than sweeping past) are relatively new, so technicians didn't have as many options for learning the length of a second.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031143902-25022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=031143902-25022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Annie G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric D. [mailto:alowd@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need info on a couple of tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thanks for all of the replies.  Joe, the second tool measures about 1.25" x 9" (estimate). I never would have thought that the tool was a beat counter! I mounted it on a hammer shank and it does work, but I wonder if and how a person could use it while one hand was playing intervals and the other was manipulating a tuning hammer...I suppose that's why the supply houses don't sell these anymore.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">As far as the pliers are concerned, they don't work very well. If I try to needle the shoulders as shown in the photo, the hammer slides around and takes a lot of effort to accurately penetrate the felt. I tried to use the tool to needle the sides of the hammer, like the pliers shown on the German website, but the rod that protrudes from the jaw does not allow the adjustable section to close much more than the photos show. I think that if I could remove some of the needles and make some other modifications this might be a usable tool.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">As Ron said, I could use it to tenderize something. Maybe I'll just sell it to someone interesting in body modification. :-)</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thanks again, everyone.</DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Eric <BR><BR></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: "pianotech-request@ptg.org" <pianotech-request@ptg.org><BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:43:08 PM<BR>Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1296, Issue 212<BR><BR>Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to<BR>    <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" ymailto="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>    <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target=_blank>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>    <A href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org" ymailto="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>    <A href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org" ymailto="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..."<BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>  1. RE: Need info on a couple of tools (Annie Grieshop)<BR>  2. Samick "Cat" Grand (Clark A. Sprague)<BR> <DIV><BR><BR>-----Inline Message Follows-----<BR><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>From what I've been told, the second "voicing tool" is actually a "beat counter".  I have one that came from M. Roseburrough's auction, but have never been entirely clear on its intended function.  So I'm interested, too.  Thanks for asking, Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>That first set of pliers is pretty wicked!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Annie G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric D. [mailto:alowd@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need info on a couple of tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The other two photos show another tool that I assume is used for voicing as well. Two of the three �crossbars� slide along the parallel �rods�. As shown in the last photo, the middle crossbar has two small needles that protrude about 2-3mm. I would be very appreciative if anyone could tell me what this is and how to use it.</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Thanks,</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Eric Davis, Assoc., Birmingham Chapter</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Huntsville , AL </P></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR SIZE=1> Looking for last minute shopping deals? <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.</A></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>From what I've been told, the second "voicing tool" is actually a "beat counter".  I have one that came from M. Roseburrough's auction, but have never been entirely clear on its intended function.  So I'm interested, too.  Thanks for asking, Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>That first set of pliers is pretty wicked!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=953345922-24022008><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Annie G.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric D. [mailto:alowd@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 24, 2008 3:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need info on a couple of tools<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">The other two photos show another tool that I assume is used for voicing as well. Two of the three �crossbars� slide along the parallel �rods�. As shown in the last photo, the middle crossbar has two small needles that protrude about 2-3mm. I would be very appreciative if anyone could tell me what this is and how to use it.</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Thanks,</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Eric Davis, Assoc., Birmingham Chapter</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Huntsville , AL </P></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR SIZE=1> Looking for last minute shopping deals? <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Find them fast with Yahoo! 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The bridges<BR>are fine, as well.      <BR>    So, I thought, maybe she heard pinblock, and didn't know the<BR>difference.  So I got out my hammer, tried the pins in the worst area of the<BR>pins, and they are not loose.  The action also cleaned up very nicely<BR>(protected by the plate, for the most part).  So I thought, soundboard and<BR>block are going to be ok, and bought it for cheap.<BR>    I wonder if the prevailing wisdom of the List would give me their<BR>advice on the block.  I was thinking that maybe I could get by with<BR>re-drilling the block to get at new wood in the pin holes, say drill for 3's<BR>or 4's.  I wonder at the ability of the plate bushings to keep most of the<BR>cat problem above the top surface of the block, or should I just replace the<BR>block and have it over with?  I am thinking that if I remove the plate, and<BR>find out that not much staing has occurred on the top of the block, maybe<BR>just re-drilling would be sufficient.  What say you all?  Clark A. Sprague,<BR>RPT<BR></DIV>  <BR>Here you go Terry.  This is the worst caster.  Which brings me to the next<BR>question.  When the lady told me that someone told her it needed a new<BR>soundboard, I will admit that I wasn't about to go crawling under the piano<BR>to look at the bottom of the board.  It was not cracked, just some stains on<BR>the top side (and it looks like they will clean up just fine). The bridges<BR>are fine, as well..      <BR>    So, I thought, maybe she heard pinblock, and didn't know the<BR>difference.  So I got out my hammer, tried the pins in the worst area of the<BR>pins, and they are not loose.  The action also cleaned up very nicely<BR>(protected by the plate, for the most part).  So I thought, soundboard and<BR>block are going to be ok, and bought it for cheap.<BR>    I wonder if the prevailing wisdom of the List would give me their<BR>advice on the block.  I was thinking that maybe I could get by with<BR>re-drilling the block to get at new wood in the pin holes, say drill for 3's<BR>or 4's.  I wonder at the ability of the plate bushings to keep most of the<BR>cat problem above the top surface of the block, or should I just replace the<BR>block and have it over with?  I am thinking that if I remove the plate, and<BR>find out that not much staing has occurred on the top of the block, maybe<BR>just re-drilling would be sufficient.  What say you all?  Clark A. Sprague,<BR>RPT<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Pianotech list info <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target=_blank>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"><BR></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR SIZE=1> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ">Try it now.</A></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>