<html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> You have to be careful here that you’re not creating a potential liability in order to try and save a few dollars.  It might well cost you more in the long run.    <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net www.davidlovepianos.com </div> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of erwinspiano@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:53 AM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: A remedy for Verdigris     Well all good points. Yes it's in the wood surrounding the bushing but on extreme cases it seems to have crept into the wood.   Here's the deal I have two sets of 20's wippens that are absolutely free of verdigris. & third that is not. SO if the gunk is in the flange only then new flanges would solve the problem.   Maybe they didn't get the gunk. They are well preserved  & frictions & pinning are excellent.   As you say this would be in rare situations such as an econo job,  not something I would usually subscribe to but I hate wasting what seems like salvageable technology when feasible. Thanks for the feedback      Dale   <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_095c1231-af19-4004-80cd-f1f6bd150d5c"><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>It's a reasonable idea that might make sense in rare situations--though I'm</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>not sure what those would be--, but in general, not worth the effort and too</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>many potential liabilities.  At least that's my view.  If you're not</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>sentimental about original designs, there's certainly no reason to get</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>sentimental about original wippens with verdigris.   </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>David Love</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt><a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a></tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" target="_blank">www.davidlovepianos.com</a> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>Original message</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>From: <a href="mailto:erwinspiano@aol.com">erwinspiano@aol.com</a></tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a></tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>Received: 3/14/2008 7:45:02 PM</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>Subject: A remedy for Verdigris</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>Hey all</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> I know ...I know there is no remedy for verdigris .... except a new parts</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>transplant... but the other day my 83 year old Dad & I were looking a</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>perfectly useable set of vintage Steinway wippens except for the mild case</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>of creeping green crud so, We were lamenting having to toss a beautiful set</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>of original Steinway wippens in the trash. We started brainstorming how we</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>could solve this given the contamination is in the wood.  Now I know many of</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>us have re-pinned & re- bushed ...put on new flanges etc. & in the end all</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>for nothing as it returns, But with a good set of wippens approaching 1000</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>bucks the idea has my attention.</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>  I told my Dad I was thinking about how to cut out the birds eye & then</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>machine a new insert with birds eye & all. My thought was that if the new</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>insert was put in with epoxy that this would act as a verdigris barrier from</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>entering back into the new wood. Then My Pops says "why not just coat the</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>existing birds eye with epoxy & slide a coated pin thru the hole to seal up</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>the exposed inner wood which should prove de a barrier to any further</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>contamination". Then pin on new flanges. I thought the idea had merit.</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>  I mean for a few short hours of pinning & coating an original set of</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>beautifully made & machined  maple wippens could be preserved & re-used at</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>any level of performance required. </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>  How bout some discussion.</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>  Dale</tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt>  </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><tt> </tt></pre></div>  <div id=u8CA54D43997C9D8-1798-2A13> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in; margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Supercharge your AIM. 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