<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: one mute</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16608" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman"><EM>Right string, Left string, Center string...</EM></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have been doing that for about 6 months and think I am getting the most stable tunings I have ever gotten. I also seem the unisons lock in quicker. Not sure about that though.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al Guecia</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:25 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: one mute</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P align=left>Unisons as you go is a given, but I was really impressed with the mute technique of Jim Coleman, Sr.   Right string, Left string, Center string...simple as it sounds if you are not doing it...try it...</P> <P align=left>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "David Andersen" <DAVID@DAVIDANDERSENPIANOS.COM> </DAVID@DAVIDANDERSENPIANOS.COM><BR>To: "Pianotech List" <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> </PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 3/19/2008 11:03:40 AM<BR>Subject: Re: one mute<BR><BR> <P align=left>100% agree. Single mute tuning opens up new vistas of stability and precision; when it's practiced consistently, tunings get better, more musical, more "ringing," clearer. Your standard of listening, and of excellence, rise quickly.</P> <DIV>David Andersen</DIV> <DIV><BR class=webkit-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Mar 19, 2008, at 3:38 AM, Tom Servinsky wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 16px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"> <DIV><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>I could go on and on about the benefits of tuning unisons as you go. The bottom line is that you end up with a much more suitable tuning for the piano when all strings of a unison are taken into account. My temp strip is used for pitch adjustments and uprights only, but other than that, it stays in the tool case.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>  I don't know about many of you, but I'm multi-tasking as I tune as I'm voicing and dealing with false beats as I'm tuning the unisons. When I'm finally finished with a particular unison it's not only harmoniously in tune, but the unison is more stable and I've had the opportunity to deal<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>with the whole sound of the unison/ hammer event.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>  .</FONT><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>Making the adjustment to tune with a single mute requires some major adjustments but once that you've started to feel more comfortable with the procedure, you're tuning time diminishes  and the amount of territory you cover increases</FONT><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>Tom Servinsky</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">ilvey@sbcglobal.net</A><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>;<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:39 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>RE: one mute</DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2> </FONT><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2> </FONT><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2> </FONT><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2> </FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I found this one mute sequence in the SAT III manual article by Jim Coleman Sr.  <SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "David Ilvedson"<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN> <ILVEY@SBCGLOBAL.NET> </ILVEY@SBCGLOBAL.NET>  <BR>To:<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="mailto:caut@ptg.org">caut@ptg.org</A>,<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR>Received: 3/18/2008 8:24:26 PM<BR>Subject: one mute<BR><BR> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Excuse me if this has been talked about (this may be David Andersens muting sequence?...but I read it in the SAT III manual...I think?)...</DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I used a temp strip for years and in the last 5 to 10 years I've been tuning unisons as I go.   I continued the temp strip format of a mute on each side of the unison and tuned the middle string with my SAT III and then tuned right to center and left to center.   I've never had any real problems, although in hindsight it did seem I was re-tweaking already tuned strings within the unison quite a bit...which I felt was another great thing about the ETD...   Anyhoo...I think this was Jim Coleman's method?...I can't seem to find the place in the manual...he recommended tuning the right string to the SAT (mute between middle-left string), tune left string to the SAT (mute between middle-right string), then tune middle to left string aurally, pull mute and there should be no change in the unison, i.e. dead on.   Well, tonight at the Ballet I tuned 2 pianos using this method and "epiphany"...first I was finding my left string was consistently flat a cent or two.   The unisons seemed more dead on...blooming...and I didn't have to re-tune strings!   Really kind of annoying to discover this after 34 years...;-[  I mean how can the muting sequence make any difference?   What I'm thinking is the 2 outside strings have a string between them and the tuning an outside string doesn't effect the other outside string?   I don't now...but it will be interesting to go to the Ballet tomorrow afternoon and see if the left string is not consistently flat...and the overall tuning...</DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">This really makes clear (imho) the necessity of getting rid of the temp strip and tuning unisons as you go...with this muting sequence...</DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">This is probably nothing but old news too many of you, but if someone finds it helpful...</DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>