<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> What he said. Works for me.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Dean<o:p></o:p> <u1:PERSONNAME u2:st="on">Dean May</u1:PERSONNAME>             cell 812.239.3359 <o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 <o:p></o:p> <u1:PLACE u2:st="on"><u1:CITY u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><u3:place u4:st="on"><u3:City u4:st="on">Terre Haute</st1:City></u3:place></u1:CITY></u3:City> <u1:STATE u2:st="on"><st1:State u5:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">IN</st1:State></u1:STATE></st1:State>  <u1:POSTALCODE u2:st="on"><st1:PostalCode u6:st="on"><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">47802</st1:PostalCode></u1:POSTALCODE></st1:PostalCode></st1:place></u1:PLACE><o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Farrell Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:44 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: birdcage pitch?<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> "In general I don´t do such extreme pitch raises up to 440 Hz in field service."<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Why not? Piano owners pay good $$ for such a service.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> "I was not brave enough to tune it on 440 first, so first I tuned it between 1 and 2 half tones flat and went on to 440. I think it took me 6 or 7 passes that day."<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Six or seven passes? Sounds like a lot of work. You should be able to do such a pitch raise in two and a half passes. First pass A440 plus ten cents in the bass and maybe 20 cents on the long bridge. After that first pass the bass and tenor might be in the range of 30 to 50 cents flat. The treble will likely be more flat - so go through the treble a second time and raise it so that it ends up 20 or 30 cents flat. Then go through the entire scale doing a normal pitch raise with appropriate overpull. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I do it like that often. Works well.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> ----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'>  <o:p></o:p> </div> It´s not so seldom that I see pianos a minor third flat. Usualy the reason is that they were not tuned for 40 years. I bought such a piano last year and tuned it in several passes up to 440 and it turned out to be a very very nice piano (from 1900 or so) with a really great sound (139 cm high) and 440 Hz worked very well. But I was not brave enough to tune it on 440 first, so first I tuned it between 1 and 2 half tones flat and went on to 440. I think it took me 6 or 7 passes that day. That was in November. Last week I sold it and it was still only 2 cents flat. The reason for beeing so flat: it stood on a floor heating for 35 years and the seller had it not let tuned since then.   In general I don´t do such extreme pitch raises up to 440 Hz in field service. I do it only if the piano is in my ownership. Usualy it´s not a problem to communicate that problem to the customer: Birdcage, some kind of rotten and a third flat? Go and buy a decent piano or accept the status quo. Can´t afford a decent piano? Okay, bad luck and I see the problem, but I am only the messenger.   Concerning the Lindner Irish plastic pianos: don´t even try to service or tune them. These "pianos" are the most worse case scenarios I encountered in my life as piano tuner. And I saw a lot of strange things in that business.   Gregor<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>