<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16608" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=409125102-25032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I repinned a 20 year old Samick, replacing only bass strings.  20% of the pins just wouldn't hold.  There was nothing wrong with the strings.   I won't ever do a repinning without restringing the whole thing, but this was the church where I direct choirs, and I take care of the instruments because that's what I do.  I think it was the right thing to do, an upright piano that in every other way wasn't bad.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=409125102-25032008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>les bartlett</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>William R. Monroe<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 24, 2008 9:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: more trouble than it's worth (was tune, chip with oversized pins?)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000>Hi Daniel,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000>Comments below:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=2>SNIP</FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><EM></EM></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><EM>I don't get the question exactly.  Are you replacing tuning pins without restringing?  The whole set?</EM></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>yes, the whole set, without restringing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"><FONT color=#008000 size=3>I have a hard time understanding wanting to do this procedure.  As some other folks suggested, if the block is bad, and the client REFUSES to restring with a new block, CA the block and call it good.  Results are typically good so far as restoring some torque.  If the ENTIRE block is bad, though, replace it, including strings, pins, dampers, attend to any deficiencies in the board, bridges, etc.  IMO, it's penny wise and pound foolish to go through the whole procedure of replacing all the pins without also doing strings, AND block and dampers.</FONT>   </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000>SNIP</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000>these are the jobs that are frustrating to me, because it's always "well if you're going to do this, you might as well do that, and if you're going to do that, then you might as well do this." i think it's the stress of not knowing how much to estimate.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000>anyway...</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000>daniel</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000 size=3>See, these are the jobs I love.  Here you are presented with an opportunity to rebuild (or sub out a rebuild of) at least the belly on this piano.  What more does one want for?!?!  Here is where you educate your client as to what they have, what the options are and what they can expect in terms of results from any of those operations.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000 size=3>The thing of it is, if you just repin with oversize, you may be doing CA in year or two or five, or whatever.  All you know is that the block is failing, you don't know why.  And, you have no guarantees how long repinning will last.  Something to consider anyway.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000 size=3>Good luck,</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" color=#008000 size=3>William R. Monroe</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P><FONT size=2>No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>Checked by AVG.<BR>Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1340 - Release Date: 03/23/2008 6:50 PM<BR></FONT></P></BODY></HTML>