<html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> I agree with that and I’ve not used Mapes for other than replacing a string here and there on a stock item.  My own personal choice for string makers is JD Grandt.  John is a terrific person to work with, will offer his input about scale changes I make but defer to my own designs when I want something done a certain way, fast, very accurate.  There are others, of course.    <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net www.davidlovepianos.com </div> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Horace Greeley Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:17 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: RE: rescale bass strings   Hi, At 08:22 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote: My experience with Mapes is that if they have the scale in their data bank they use what they have rather than try and measure what you send them.  I would be surprised if your original scaling ever crossed the threshold of consciousness.  It’s too bad, I’m sure your scale changes improved that Mit certainly does benefit from some modifications. and...Mapes quality is not all that consistent, either. I'd go with any of the folks David suggested previously before using Mapes.   BTW, couldn’t you have just sent them back after it was clear that they hadn’t done what you asked and then recalculated the thing again? FWIW, having tried that a several times a few years back and having had nothing be exceptionally back "luck", I gave up even trying and started using other suppliers....rather like sending back the lobster bisque...you never quite know how it's processed before they send it back out to you. Best. Horace   David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net <a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" eudora=autourl>www.davidlovepianos.com</a> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Dierauf Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:09 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: rescale bass strings   Except that my version had 8 additional strings and double wrapped monchords. It was also (deliberately) not identified as an M scale, although I could see where an alert winder might have recognized that the lengths matched those of an M scale. I was being facetious when I said that they rescaled my samples, but they certainly did not duplicate either the original design or my samples. - Mark Dierauf David Love wrote: I doubt that was a rescaling.  More likely they just produced the original scale for the piano.    David Love <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a> <a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" eudora=autourl>www.davidlovepianos.com</a> -----Original Message----- From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Dierauf Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:19 AM To: Pianotech List Subject: RE: rescale bass strings   Actually, Mapes does rescale, albeit to their own standards. I sent in a set from an S&S M that I had laboriously (and successfully) rescaled in the early 90's. These had been ruined when a student spilled some sort of liquid on them and I had meanwhile lost the spec sheet for the rescaled strings. I asked Mapes to copy them exactly and the new set came back with different core & wrap sizes. All the improvements I had made were lost, and the tenor wound strings (I had added 4 wound bichords) sounded so poorly as to be almost untunable. Now I only use them for individual string replacements on lesser quality pianos. - Mark Dierauf David Love wrote: <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Surprisingly, many are:</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Arledge, Sanderson, GC, JD Grandt, all</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>make</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>alterations to scales</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>routinely.  Only Mapes (that I know of) seems, as</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>a</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>matter of policy, to abide</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>by the original designs. </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>David</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Love</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left: .5in'><a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net"></a></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</a></pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left: .5in'><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/" eudora=autourl></a></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com/">www.davidlovepianos.com</a></pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>-----Original</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Message-----</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>From:</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>[<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora=autourl></a></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Behalf</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Of</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:pianoguru@cox.net">pianoguru@cox.net</a></pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Sent: Sunday, March 23,</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>2008 8:16 PM</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>To: Pianotech List;</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">ilvey@sbcglobal.net</a></pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Subject: Re: rescale bass</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>strings</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Most string makers are not</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>interested in "rescaling."  They prefer</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>to</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>"duplicate" bass</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>strings.  If you really want rescaling, go to</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>James</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Arledge.  His web site</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>will tell you what information they need, or</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>give</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>them a call to discuss what</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>you want. </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>I have no personal vested</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>interest in Arledge strings, only experience</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>with</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>positive results from his</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>ventures.</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Frank</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Emerson</pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre>     </div> </body> </html>