<div> Joe (and Wim):<br> <br> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">BZZZZT!. "Beyond it's elasticity" means that the string will now break. Overpitching a string will not cause false (real) beats in and of itself unless there is some bridge involvement. And chipping a piano even a half-step high seems to be way more than necessary. I have typically chipped the piano about 25 cents sharp, watched it fall, then chipped it again 10 cents sharp before actually tuning it, with very stable results. <br> <br> Paul<br> </font></div> <div> <br> </div> <div> <br> </div> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Joe And Penny Goss <imatunr@srvinet.com><br> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:46 pm<br> Subject: Re: sharp tuning<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_10bdabfd-68d5-45ad-9ad7-f302ea97f5b1"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Wim,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I suspect there will be a slurry of false beating sounds in the upper range of this instrument, caused by over stretching of the wire beyond it's elasticity.</font></div> <div>Joe Goss RPT<br> Mother Goose Tools<br> <a href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</a><br> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</a></div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="wimblees@aol.com" href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:03 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: sharp tuning</div> <div><br> </div> <wbr>Noah<br> <br> Who ever restrung this piano really took a chance tuning the piano a whole step sharp. I chip a piano a half a step high, but even my first tuning is only 25 cents high. I don't think this dealer understands what is happening to this piano. Is he telling you to keep it a whole step high because he doesn't want to pay you to do more than just a tuning, or does he think customers won't notice. In my opinion, he is not being honest with him self, much less his customers. <br> <br> <div style="clear: both;">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<br> Piano Tuner/Technician<br> Honolulu, HI<br> Author of <br> The Business of Piano Tuning<br> available from Potter Press<br> <a href="http://www.pianotuning.com" target="_blank">www.pianotuning.com</a></div> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: Noah Haverkamp <<a href="mailto:noahhaverkamp@yahoo.com">noahhaverkamp@yahoo.com</a>><br> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br> Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:01 am<br> Subject: sharp tuning<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_5d28bc90-d1bb-4288-bc02-5089c763eac4">i began to do a floor tuning at a warehouse last week and A4 was tuned as B4. i tuned it to A440. 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