<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1555" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey Paul,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Only credit me with the Elastic line.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Me thinks it should have been stated ALMOST TO as stretched to the point that the wire thins out in spots.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Like in the use of the wire roller. Thin spots on a string will IMHO result in false beats on that wire.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=paulrevenkojones@aol.com href="mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com">paulrevenkojones@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:36 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: sharp tuning</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Joe (and Wim):<BR><BR><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">BZZZZT!. "Beyond it's elasticity" means that the string will now break. Overpitching a string will not cause false (real) beats in and of itself unless there is some bridge involvement. And chipping a piano even a half-step high seems to be way more than necessary. I have typically chipped the piano about 25 cents sharp, watched it fall, then chipped it again 10 cents sharp before actually tuning it, with very stable results. <BR><BR>Paul<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Joe And Penny Goss <imatunr@srvinet.com><BR>To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:46 pm<BR>Subject: Re: sharp tuning<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_10bdabfd-68d5-45ad-9ad7-f302ea97f5b1> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Wim,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suspect there will be a slurry of false beating sounds in the upper range of this instrument, caused by over stretching of the wire beyond it's elasticity.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com" target=_blank>www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title=wimblees@aol.com href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:03 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: sharp tuning</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><WBR>Noah<BR><BR>Who ever restrung this piano really took a chance tuning the piano a whole step sharp. I chip a piano a half a step high, but even my first tuning is only 25 cents high. I don't think this dealer understands what is happening to this piano. Is he telling you to keep it a whole step high because he doesn't want to pay you to do more than just a tuning, or does he think customers won't notice. In my opinion, he is not being honest with him self, much less his customers. <BR><BR> <DIV style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<BR>Piano Tuner/Technician<BR>Honolulu, HI<BR>Author of <BR>The Business of Piano Tuning<BR>available from Potter Press<BR><A href="http://www.pianotuning.com" target=_blank>www.pianotuning.com</A></DIV><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Noah Haverkamp <<A href="mailto:noahhaverkamp@yahoo.com">noahhaverkamp@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR>Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:01 am<BR>Subject: sharp tuning<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_5d28bc90-d1bb-4288-bc02-5089c763eac4>i began to do a floor tuning at a warehouse last week and A4 was tuned as B4. i tuned it to A440. A3 was B3, so i tuned it to A220. about 3 notes later i felt really weird, so i informed the boss what was going on and was told to tune it where it was at. it had just received new strings. <BR><BR>well that made it easier to tune, but i mean, ive never heard of tuning a piano a whole tone sharp. <BR><BR><BR>Noah Haverkamp <BR><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,127,64)">Know-a Piano </SPAN><BR><A href="http://www.knowapiano.com/" target=_blank>http://www.knowapiano.com</A> <BR>347-308-0094 <BR>Fax: 718-701-2071 </DIV> <DIV class=aol_ad_footer id=u8CA67B1A2F220D2-134C-1408><FONT style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL,SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> Get the <A title=http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003 href="http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003" target=_blank>MapQuest Toolbar</A>, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!</FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV class=aol_ad_footer id=u8CA67BEA3D5C7B1-798-AC5><FONT style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black"> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> Get the <A title=http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003 href="http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003" target=_blank>MapQuest Toolbar</A>, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!</FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>