<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16640" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman">Al Guecia wrote; "You can add that to the invoice if you like.</FONT> </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">"</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sorry about that. I have never added the charge, but I sure didn't know you couldn't.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al Guecia</FONT></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pianotuner@embarqmail.com href="mailto:pianotuner@embarqmail.com">Alan Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2008 6:47 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV align=left>If Mastercard/Visa/Discovery/Amex catch you passing on your credit service costs you would be in a world of hurt. It is absolutely, strictly, strictly verbotten! It's just another of their high-handed practices.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>As to PayPal, I dunno. Read the fine print.<BR><BR>Alan Barnard<BR>Salem, MO<BR><BR></DIV> <DIV align=left> <HR> Original message<BR>From: <A href="mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com">paulrevenkojones@aol.com</A><BR>To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR>Received: 4/11/2008 5:15:50 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"<BR><BR> <DIV align=left><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's an interesting legal question. Be a bit wary and find out whether you can in fact do that. <BR><BR>P<BR></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">It does cost you about 3% for the service You can add that to the invoice if you like.</BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft@hotmail.com><BR>To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 4:48 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"<BR><BR> <DIV id=AOLMsgPart_2_50adc0c9-926b-4a37-a6f5-732e1d73a736> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>John, just set up an account with PayPal and you can then send email invoices. They pay with a credit card and the money is then deposited in you account almost immediately. It does cost you about 3% for the service You can add that to the invoice if you like. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Al Guecia</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title=formsma@gmail.com href="mailto:formsma@gmail.com">John Formsma</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2008 2:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Agreed with your points below. <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>How do you send an email invoice?  Do you do a PDF with the Mac?  Using Quickbooks to do the invoice?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>What about people who don't have an email?  I have a few older customers who don't have a computer.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I think email is a good way to go, considering our modern era.  My practice now is to leave an invoice.  Most people expect to pay me before I leave.  I allow churches to mail payment.  And folks who aren't at home while I'm there.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>--</DIV> <DIV>JF<BR><BR> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:24 PM, David Andersen <<A href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com">david@davidandersenpianos.com</A>> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"> <DIV>My friends---- <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Would you like to be treated like a doctor, or a lawyer, or a skilled artisan?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Or would you like to be treated like a day worker, or a cable installer, or a shade-tree mechanic? </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>In the first group, the work, and the atmosphere surrounding the work, is the focus; actual money exchange happens later.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>In the second group, the focus is on getting the check.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>If you want to make more money and have more respect, act like a business with cash flow. If somebody wants to give you a check, OK.</DIV> <DIV>I hardly ever handle money now, and most of my clients (still) are private entities. I send an email invoice within 24 hours of the work; I haven't been stiffed once since I started this protocol 6 years ago. Well, once, by a white-collar criminal in Malibu...300 bucks.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>A hard and fast rule: those who<B><SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"> seem</SPAN></B> like they couldn't care less about getting paid make a lot more money and are trusted quicker and deeper. People just like it better way back in the deep, old part of their brains. Don't fight the wiring.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#888888> <DIV>David Andersen</DIV> <DIV>(flame suit on)</DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV class=aol_ad_footer id=u8CA6A38BBF4ED53-16A0-3831><FONT style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black"> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> Get the <A title=http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003 href="http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003" target=_blank>MapQuest Toolbar</A>, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!</FONT> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>