<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"</title> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>What’s the difference between that and the gas stations that offer a discount for cash payment? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Alan Barnard [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">pianotuner@embarqmail.com</st1:PersonName>] <br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 11, 2008 6:47 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>If Mastercard/Visa/Discovery/Amex catch you passing on your credit service costs you would be in a world of hurt. It is absolutely, strictly, strictly verbotten! It's just another of their high-handed practices.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>As to PayPal, I dunno. Read the fine print.<br> <br> Alan Barnard<br> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Salem</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MO</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Original message<br> From: paulrevenkojones@aol.com<br> To: pianotech@ptg.org<br> Received: 4/11/2008 5:15:50 PM<br> Subject: Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial'>That's an interesting legal question. Be a bit wary and find out whether you can in fact do that. <br> <br> P</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 2.0pt; margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>It does cost you about 3% for the service You can add that to the invoice if you like.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </blockquote> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br> From: AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft@hotmail.com><br> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Pianotech List</st1:PersonName> <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 4:48 pm<br> Subject: Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_50adc0c9-926b-4a37-a6f5-732e1d73a736"> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial'>John, just set up an account with PayPal and you can then send email invoices. They pay with a credit card and the money is then deposited in you account almost immediately. It does cost you about 3% for the service You can add that to the invoice if you like. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Al Guecia</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal;-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial;-moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:50%'> <p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:formsma@gmail.com" title="formsma@gmail.com">John Formsma</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, April 11, 2008 2:09 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'> <p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Professional practices, was "pay you later"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Agreed with your points below. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>How do you send an email invoice?  Do you do a PDF with the Mac?  Using Quickbooks to do the invoice?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>What about people who don't have an email?  I have a few older customers who don't have a computer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>I think email is a good way to go, considering our modern era.  My practice now is to leave an invoice.  Most people expect to pay me before I leave.  I allow churches to mail payment.  And folks who aren't at home while I'm there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>JF<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:24 PM, David Andersen <<a href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com">david@davidandersenpianos.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>My friends---- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Would you like to be treated like a doctor, or a lawyer, or a skilled artisan?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>Or would you like to be treated like a day worker, or a cable installer, or a shade-tree mechanic? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>In the first group, the work, and the atmosphere surrounding the work, is the focus; actual money exchange happens later.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>In the second group, the focus is on getting the check.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>If you want to make more money and have more respect, act like a business with cash flow. If somebody wants to give you a check, OK.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>I hardly ever handle money now, and most of my clients (still) are private entities. I send an email invoice within 24 hours of the work; I haven't been stiffed once since I started this protocol 6 years ago. Well, once, by a white-collar criminal in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Malibu</st1:place></st1:City>...300 bucks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'>A hard and fast rule: those who<b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'> seem</span></u></b> like they couldn't care less about getting paid make a lot more money and are trusted quicker and deeper. People just like it better way back in the deep, old part of their brains. Don't fight the wiring.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#888888" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888'>David Andersen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#888888" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888'>(flame suit on)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Arial;color:black'></span></font> <div id=u8CA6A38BBF4ED53-16A0-3831> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:7.5pt;text-align:center'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </span></font></div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Get the <a href="http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003" target="_blank" title="http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003">MapQuest Toolbar</a>, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </body> </html>