<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'> Could you describe a formal rubbed ebony finish? Please?! Thanks in advance!!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Greg Newell<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>Greg's Piano Forté<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>www.gregspianoforte.com<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>216-226-3791 (office)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'>216-470-8634 (mobile)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Potter<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:47 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Pianotech List<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Piano refinsihing question<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Steve -<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>To echo Al's remarks, using that much sanding sealer to fill the grain is usually not advisable.  It still doesn't explain why the lacquer "will not take", though.  Do you mean it is literally not adhering, or that it has significant transparency?  <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Am I correct in assuming that your sanding sealer was a 'lacquer' sanding sealer?  Hope so, or you may have compatibility issues.  In terms of your lacquer being too transparent, I would guess that either: 1) you have not thoroughly mixed the pigment in the lacquer, or 2) you are not applying a thick enough film.  I wouldn't worry about applying more than two coats of lacquer, and if you are planning on doing a formal rubbed finish you will certainly want a minimum of 4-5 coats, usually more, to minimize rub-thru.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>For future consideration, a better, more durable finish process would be to fill the grain with tinted grain filler.  Then apply a couple coats of black (or dark grey) primer compatible with your finish lacquer, then as many topcoats required to get the finish you desire.  If it's an 'off-the-gun' finish you will not need as much topcoat material as you would if you were doing a formal rubbed ebony finish.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Mark Potter<br> <br> <b><i>Steve Ellemberg <Steve@store.parks.ca.gov></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I am trying to restore a piano that was originally wood grained and will<br> soon have an Ebony finish. I found a post on ptg.org that contained detailed<br> instructions with the following steps: multiple coats of sanding sealer,<br> followed by several coats of black lacquer and clear lacquer, sanding in<br> between each coat..<br> <br> I already have the piano completely disassembled and have applied 3 coats of<br> sanding sealer, with more than 30 hours of sealing and sanding.<br> <br> My instructions were to apply semi-gloss black lacquer (cut by 50% with<br> thinner) after the last coat of sanding sealer (after 400 grit sanding), but<br> when I tried this, the black lacquer would not take, it is almost completely<br> transparent. I tried to repeat the step with 100% lacquer and it is<br> still very transparent. It would take about 5 coats to cover it<br> completely and it is not recommended to use more than two coats thick.<br> <br> Would you have any suggestions on how to make the lacquer cover the old<br> color of the piano.<br> <br> Any advice would be appreciated.<br> <br> Thank you,<br> Steve<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> -- <br> Steven Ellemberg<br> Project Director, California State Parks Store<br> http://store.parks.ca.gov<br> PRIDE Industries<br> Creating jobs for people with disabilities<br> Office: 408.842.1478 Cell: 916.847.1390 Fax: 408.413.5305<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </body> </html>