<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16640" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Cambria Math; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @font-face { font-family: Consolas; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-style-type: personal-reply } .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-style-type: export-only } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=purple link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey: This has nothing to do with splicing wire but it was a unique way to deal with damper bleed when you can't replace a bass string. This was a long time ago and only on one piano and it was probably a spinet, but someone had replaced several broken unison bass strings with plain wire of a gauge that could be tuned an octave above. I don't know if this was a common practice back then or not but it seemed to work both to hold the wedge in place and to help fortify the single bass string. Has anyone else seen this?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gerald McCleskey RPT</FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dporritt@mail.smu.edu href="mailto:dporritt@mail.smu.edu">Porritt, David</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:58 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Failed string splicing -- charge for time?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868">I’ve been reading this thread on charging for repairs-that-fail with interest.  I don’t want to be ridged but in general I’ve always thought of a repair as a repair…i.e. it’s either fixed or not fixed.  If it’s not fixed I’ve not felt that I could charge the customer for not fixing it.  If I’ve had doubt about a possible fix working, I’ve explained it to the customer and left it up to them if they want to pay for an <I>attempt at a fix</I>.  If I’m confident I can fix something and I fail, then I don’t charge.  I’ve just never figured out how I’d list it on the invoice.  Something like: “couldn’t fix (whatever)…..$10.00”  ?!?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868">dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">David M. Porritt, RPT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #215868; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"><A href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #215868"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Fenton Murray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Failed string splicing -- charge for time?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Do you charge for your splicing attempts that fail? :-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Any repair that I consider my self an expert at I charge for, if I'm learning or experimenting and it fails, I might eat it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Fenton<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=formsma@gmail.com href="mailto:formsma@gmail.com">John Formsma</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Friday, April 18, 2008 3:36 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re: Failed string splicing -- charge for time?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Joe And Penny Goss <<A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi John,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">With the concert use and distance. I would not replace the string, but alter the damper head to control sustain.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I have never been able to splice a Yamaha bass string. The swedge seems to be too close to where the knot is,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and the string breaks again every time. But still I try to splice.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Joe,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>The strange thing about it was that the damper worked without needing any modification.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>I should have mentioned before that the splice was above the pressure bar. The string broke at the tuning pin.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>Do you charge for your splicing attempts that fail? :-)<o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal>-- <BR>JF <o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>