<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">so much for the.. "there is no credible source claiming the existence of creep in piano wire".  Or so it would seem on the surface of it.  But then I dont really know this magazine and the statement was rather off the cuff in the paragraph and supplied nothing to back up the claim... indeed it was just used in passing for the sake of illustration. </blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'd like to see what the guy has to say about the direct case of  piano wire well under the yield limit and kept at ambient temperatures and see what he has to back it all up with. </blockquote></div> Agreed. From the actual scientific article: ----- "Creep damage by void nucleation and growth limits the lifetime of components subjected to loading at high temperatures." "The efficiency of electricity-generating plants and gas turbines depends strongly on their components' sustainability of loading at high temperatures. " "The sample was heated to 375°C ą 2°C by an induction-heated loop around the bottom of the sample." ---- So it would seem that the peer-reviewed part has nothing to say about creep happening at room temp. Perhaps the intro comments were considered fluff-like and therefore not as thoroughly fact-checked. Kurt