Thanks, David Anderson - I'm printing that and sticking it somewhere prominent. <br>-Holly <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to<br>        <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>        <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target="_blank">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>        <a href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>        <a href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..."<br> <br>Today's Topics:<br> <br>   1. Re: horrid "repairs" (Joe And Penny Goss)<br>   2. Insecurity--was: too picky about tuning (David Andersen)<br>   3. Rescaling A Chickering Upright (<a href="mailto:pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net">pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net</a>)<br>   4. RE: Rescaling A Chickering Upright (Garret Traylor)<br>   5. Re: too picky about tuning (Farrell)<br>   6. Re: Insecurity--was: too picky about tuning (Matthew Todd)<br>   7. Re: too picky about tuning (David Andersen)<br> <br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <<a href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</a>><br>To: "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:14:57 -0600<br>Subject: Re: horrid "repairs"<br> <div style="" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Rafael,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">are you a member of,</font></div> <div> <p style="font-weight: bold;">Mexican Association of Piano Tuners </p> <p>President: Francisco Chavez-Silva <br>Lago Constanza, No. 150 <br>Dolonia Anahuac, C.P. <br>DF 11320 <br>Mexico</p></div> <div>Joe Goss RPT<br>Mother Goose Tools<br><a href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com" target="_blank">imatunr@srvinet.com</a><br><a href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com" target="_blank">www.mothergoosetools.com</a></div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"> <b>From:</b> <a title="rafahuberman@prodigy.net.mx" href="mailto:rafahuberman@prodigy.net.mx" target="_blank">Rafael M. Huberman Muñiz</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="pianotech@ptg.org" href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" target="_blank">Pianotech List</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 02, 2008 9:22 AM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: horrid "repairs"</div> <div><br></div>This kind of "repairs" are very common here in Mexico, <div><br></div> <div>Rafael.<br> <div><span style="word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Optima; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"> <div style=""><span style="word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Optima; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"><span style="word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"> <div style=""><span style="word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"> <div style=""> <div><br>_________________________</div> <div><br></div> <div>Rafael M. Huberman Muñiz</div> <div><br></div> <div>ArtePiano</div> <div>Jazmines #309, Col. Reforma</div> <div>Oaxaca, Oax. CP 68050</div> <div>México</div> <div>+52(951)5152629</div> <div>044(951)507-0960</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div></div></span><br></div></span><br></span><br></div></span></div><br></div></blockquote></div> <br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: David Andersen <<a href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com">david@davidandersenpianos.com</a>><br>To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:20:58 -0700<br>Subject: Insecurity--was: too picky about tuning<br><div style=""><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div> <span style="font-size: large;">no matter how insecure we might feel about our work</span>.</div></span><br></blockquote></div><br><div>Why? Habit?  Ignorance?</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="5">What IS up with this "I feel guilty taking your money for my unworthy work" attitude that so many piano technicians seem to have?</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="5">Alan Eder</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">I'll tell ya what's up: doubt kills strength, confidence, power, and pleasure; habitual doubt is a toxic, dangerous mental program or habit.  When you are insecure</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">---people can feel it</div><div style="margin: 0px;">---it dulls your ability to be clear and focused</div><div style="margin: 0px;">---it kills the pleasure of the task in the moment</div><div style="margin: 0px;"> ---it focuses your attention on the self-generated internal dialogue rather than the interesting and challenging task at hand</div><div style="margin: 0px;">---it allows you to make stupid decisions, like giving away time and effort for free when you need to be supporting yourself and your family, and consistently undervaluing your worth, the value you bring in people's lives.</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Doubt kills the warrior spirit inside of you. It infects everything in your life.</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">1. Do you see yourself as an artisan, a professional, a craftsperson?</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">2. Do you generally do the best job you can do?</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">If yes, then STOP with the doubt and insecurity. You're doing a better job on this planet than a vast majority of humans that live here or have lived here.  If your clients don't respect you, fire them. Or suffer. Your choice.</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">It's that clear and stark. It really is.</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">David Andersen</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><br> </div></div></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <<a href="mailto:pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net">pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>To: "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:28:45 -0700<br>Subject: Rescaling A Chickering Upright<br> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I have taken in an 1890's Chickering upright with scale number 67. I am thinking that this piano might benefit from a rescaling, which I have not yet done. I would appreciate some recommendations on rescaling services and approximate cost. If anyone has done this to a Chickering upright, did rescaling it appreciably improve the performance?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Patrick C. Poulson<br>Registered Piano Technician<br>Piano Technicians Guild</font></div></div> <br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Garret Traylor" <<a href="mailto:hpp@highpointpiano.com">hpp@highpointpiano.com</a>><br>To: "'Pianotech List'" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:18:48 -0400<br>Subject: RE: Rescaling A Chickering Upright<br> <div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Patrick,</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">The first piano that we chose to rescale, a Chickering grand was with the help of James Arledge <a href="http://www.pianostrings.com" target="_blank">www.pianostrings.com</a>; we measured for every note bass and treble.  WOW!  Totally different piano.  You should try.  You wont' regret it.  James will be glad to give you a quote.</span></p> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Kindest Regards,</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Garret </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">---</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Garret Traylor - President</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">High Point Piano & Music Inc.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black;">88-PIANO (336) 887-4266</span></p> </div> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">pcpoulson@sbcglobal.net</a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 02, 2008 12:29 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Pianotech List<br> <b>Subject:</b> Rescaling A Chickering Upright</span></p> </div> </div> <p> </p> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have taken in an 1890's Chickering upright with scale number 67. I am thinking that this piano might benefit from a rescaling, which I have not yet done. I would appreciate some recommendations on rescaling services and approximate cost. If anyone has done this to a Chickering upright, did rescaling it appreciably improve the performance?</span></p> </div> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thanks,</span></p> </div> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Patrick C. Poulson<br> Registered Piano Technician<br> Piano Technicians Guild</span></p> </div> </div> </div> <br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Farrell" <<a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</a>><br>To: "Pianotech List" <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:23:41 -0400<br>Subject: Re: too picky about tuning<br>Just got back. Piano was in surprisingly good tune - nothing more than two or three cents off. Only about a dozen notes with whining unisons. Not bad for seven months after a 25-cent pitch raise.<br> <br> So she's playing up in the high treble on her finely crafted 1960 Janssen console and says "hear that - that note is bad". I won't share the full range of thoughts that occurred to me at that point. But yes, it did sound bad. Checked octaves and they were "good". Showed her on the Verituner that all was within a couple cents of target. She keeps hitting D#7 and says "that sounds bad". So we start talking about what "bad" sounds like. Ahhhhh - she says "it sounds like a toy piano". Duhhhhhhhhh! Couldn't argue with that!<br> <br> You know that sound - a wooden hammer striking a log.<br> <br> So that was it - the treble sounded like a toy piano. I explained to her that her piano was - er, um...... - sub-optimal and that it sounded consistent with others in its lofty class. I ended up not tuning a single string, she was happy, she will start looking for a replacement piano, and I largely wasted a morning - but did some good will anyway. Hey, it was a nice morning for a motorbike ride!<br> <br> Terry Farrell<br> <br> ----- Original Message ----- <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> You're being way too generous.  After six months, somebody calling and<br> telling me it went out right away???  They should have called then.  What<br> can you possibly determine now?  After six months you will undoubtedly find<br> the piano out of tune.<br> <br> David Love<br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: <a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" target="_blank">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf<br> Of Farrell<br> </blockquote> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> ...I'm off to an appointment this morning to look at my second complaint in<br> ten years about my tuning. The first one was about five years ago and the<br> lady was a looney. I wonder how this one will shake out - it's been six<br> months, but she said it "went out" right away after I tuned it. I know I<br> shouldn't do anything for her at no charge, but I likely will - largely<br> because of low number of complaints I've had.<br> </blockquote> <br> <br> <br> <br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Matthew Todd <<a href="mailto:toddpianoworks@att.net">toddpianoworks@att.net</a>><br>To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT)<br>Subject: Re: Insecurity--was: too picky about tuning<br>Warrior spirit???  LOL!<br><br><b><i>David Andersen <<a href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com" target="_blank">david@davidandersenpianos.com</a>></i></b> wrote: <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <br> <div><br> <blockquote type="cite"><span style="word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"> <div> <span style="font-size: large;">no matter how insecure we might feel about our work</span>.</div></span><br></blockquote></div><br> <div>Why? Habit?  Ignorance?</div> <div><br></div> <div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="5">What IS up with this "I feel guilty taking your money for my unworthy work" attitude that so many piano technicians seem to have?</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="5">Alan Eder</font></div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">I'll tell ya what's up: doubt kills strength, confidence, power, and pleasure; habitual doubt is a toxic, dangerous mental program or habit.  When you are insecure</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">---people can feel it</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">---it dulls your ability to be clear and focused</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">---it kills the pleasure of the task in the moment</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">---it focuses your attention on the self-generated internal dialogue rather than the interesting and challenging task at hand</div> <div style="margin: 0px;">---it allows you to make stupid decisions, like giving away time and effort for free when you need to be supporting yourself and your family, and consistently undervaluing your worth, the value you bring in people's lives.</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">Doubt kills the warrior spirit inside of you. It infects everything in your life.</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">1. Do you see yourself as an artisan, a professional, a craftsperson?</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">2. Do you generally do the best job you can do?</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">If yes, then STOP with the doubt and insecurity. You're doing a better job on this planet than a vast majority of humans that live here or have lived here.  If your clients don't respect you, fire them. Or suffer. Your choice.</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">It's that clear and stark. It really is.</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div> <div style="margin: 0px;">David Andersen</div> <div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div></div></blockquote><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: David Andersen <<a href="mailto:david@davidandersenpianos.com">david@davidandersenpianos.com</a>><br> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br>Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:37:27 -0700<br>Subject: Re: too picky about tuning<br><div style=""> <br><div><div>On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Farrell wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0px;"><font style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;" face="Helvetica" size="5">So that was it - the treble sounded like a toy piano. I explained to her that her piano was - er, um...... - sub-optimal and that it sounded consistent with others in its lofty class. I ended up not tuning a single string, she was happy, she will start looking for a replacement piano, and I largely wasted a morning - but did some good will anyway. Hey, it was a nice morning for a motorbike ride!</font></p> </blockquote><br></div><div>That's it, brother---well done. Good job. Turn the page and go on.</div><div><br></div><div>If you monetize her trust in you by finding her a better piano and getting paid for it---which you can easily do---everybody wins in all realms.</div> <div><br></div><div>And you still had a great ride, bubba.</div><div><br></div><div>xoDA</div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> Pianotech list info <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target="_blank">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Peace and Light,<br><br>Holly Quigley<br> Senior Piano Technician<br>Southern Keyboards<br>770-861-9895 cell<br>770-953-0938 shop