Hi John, <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks for your input. Good points, all.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>A minority of the pins are on the loose side (I'll get an exact count when next I tune it).</div> <div><br> </div> <div>The customer is not motivated to spend much, if anything, as this problem does not affect tone, touch or tuning stability (at least, not yet on that last item).</div> <div><br> </div> <div>The rebuilder hasn't a clue (nor do I) as to, "Why is this pinblock different from all other pinblocks" with regard to consistency of torque, and does not feel that it is his responsibility. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>The environment does not appear to be the problem.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Alan Eder<br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: John Ross <jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca><br> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 2:48 pm<br> Subject: Re: CA Glue for pin blocks<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_c0ee655c-567e-4ab1-beff-830e06acb358"> I suppose it would depend, on how many were loose. <div>How much is the customer willing to spend.</div> <div>How long ago was it rebuilt, and was there a warranty?</div> <div>Sometimes things happen. If the rebuilder was informed of the problem, he may want to repin, to protect his reputation.</div> <div>If the piano was in an environment, that wasn't conducive to pinblock longevity, i.e. next to a wood stove. Then he probably wouldn't feel liable.<br> <div> <div>On 3-Jun-08, at 6:23 PM, <a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">...and if I did NOT do the block, still ream and use oversized pins (clearly noted as such) rather than use CA? <div><br> </div> <div>Alan Eder<br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: John Ross <<a href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</a>><br> To: Pianotech List <<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>><br> Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 1:55 pm<br> Subject: Re: CA Glue for pin blocks<br> <br> <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_cc5eff31-a931-4723-a1a3-b910e7d46cec"> If you did the rebuild, I would think reaming, and oversize pins should be the way to correct the problem. <div><br> <div> <div>On 3-Jun-08, at 5:33 PM, <a href="mailto:reggaepass@aol.com">reggaepass@aol.com</a> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">A matter related to this thread: I have a client with a recently rebuilt piano, including a new (Bolduc) pinblock. The torque is acceptable on many/most of the tuning pins, but is too low on several. The low-torque pins are not so loose as to not hold (at least, not yet), but make it harder to tune accurately and, especially, to get into a good groove as one moves along from string to string. <div><br> </div> <div>So the question is: Should I use CA on the looser pins, even though this is an otherwise healthy, new block (I'm guessing some drilling discrepancies are the culprit), or would CA now present problems when we restring again (on this same block) down the road? 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