<div> Garret: Alicia should read this and know that we strive for (un)-common courtesy. It is right and proper that we regulate ourselves and call each other on our failures of intellect as well as levels of communication. What you have said below is so well put! Thoughtful is good. It is a pure function of mindfulness, an awareness of the total context in which we live and the drive to create and foster the "good". My rebuke of Tom Sivak was intended not only to contain his language, but to let Alicia know that we care for her (although she seems to be able to take care of herself just fine!), and that we will not accept demeaning communication. I have in the past had privately posted interchanges with some about like issues; this seemed appropriate to say publicly, and I suspect that Tom will understand as well. Warm regards, Paul </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> -----Original Message----- From: Garret Traylor <hpp@highpointpiano.com> To: 'Pianotech List' <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 4:06 pm Subject: RE: WAS SAMICK IS CRAP-NOW YOUNG TECH somewhat OT <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f"> <style> @#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f font-face {font-family:Consolas; panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f p.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f li.MsoNormal,#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f a:link,#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f a:visited,#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f pre {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char"; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f tt {mso-style-priority:99; font-family:"Courier New";}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f span.HTMLPreformattedChar {mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted"; font-family:Consolas;}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f span.EmailStyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:navy;}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;}@#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#AOLMsgPart_2_ed0e2bea-9d3b-4c91-ab6d-ff4e8c51961f div.Section1 {page:Section1;}</style> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal">Usually I tell my family and friends when they hurt my feelings something to the effect that, “You don’t know me well enough to say something like that.”  And then, we hopefully learn to know each other better.  People who know me, know that I generally don’t like to see teasing or jeering (can you tell that I have a eleven-teen year old daughter).  I have found that public seemingly humorous (in circle) comments are not a good idea.  Especially when you really don’t know someone.  I find the majority of posters to this list extremely kind, thoughtful, and helpful.  We deal with folks from all around the world on this list.  Thoughtful is good!</div> <div class="MsoNormal">Kindest Regards,</div> <div class="MsoNormal">Garret</div> <div class="MsoNormal">---</div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <div class="MsoNormal">From: <a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [<a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org?">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of <a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:paulrevenkojones@aol.com">paulrevenkojones@aol.com</a> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:49 PM To: <a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Subject: Re: WAS SAMICK IS CRAP-NOW YOUNG TECH somewhat OT</div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal">Tom: This is an amazingly offensive and sexist comment. Paul</div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">-----Original Message----- From: Tom Sivak <<a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net">tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net</a>> To: Pianotech List <<a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>> Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:50 pm Subject: RE: WAS SAMICK IS CRAP-NOW YOUNG TECH somewhat OT</div> <div id="AOLMsgPart_0_26606451-2805-4603-ae55-16c9fdeb9849"><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>Testy little thing, isn't she?</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>Tom Sivak</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>--- A E <<a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk">eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk</a>> wrote:</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Thats not quite fair to say, I'm far from "knowing</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> everything" as you say, and I claim that i Mostly</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> know nothing... which in reality is how it is I have</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> much more to learn and much more to gain.. HOWEVER,</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> i do have some experience, and as i previously said</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> my grandmother devoted her life to reduilding/making</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> pianos... So what i say doesnt just come out of the</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> blu...</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Please think before you make such statements as they</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> are highly offencive Tom...</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>  </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Alicia</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:18:07 -0400From:</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> <a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:tomtuner@verizon.netSubject">tomtuner@verizon.netSubject</a>: WAS SAMICK IS CRAP-NOW</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> YOUNG TECH somewhat OTTo: <a __removedlink__297372667__href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a></tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Sorry., last post went off incomplete.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> To all,</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>     In reviewing recent  pianotech postings I just</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> discovered that our new contributer is  18 years</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> old.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>     I understand her statements now because I too</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> knew everthing when I was 18.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Now that I'm 55 It seems more and more</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> apparent--especially to those who know me best</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> --That I know nothing of consequence and somehow</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> it's getting worse.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>     18 ? I have clothes older than 18.</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> Tom -Just having some fun --Driscoll</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>     -</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>  </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>>  </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>></tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>_________________________________________________________________</tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>> </tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt>></tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><tt><a target="_blank" __removedlink__297372667__href="http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/">http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/</a></tt> <tt></tt></pre><pre style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <tt></tt></pre></div> <div id="u8CA948AC6560686-11E4-1CD2"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 7.5pt; text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 7.5pt;">Stay informed, get connected and more <a target="_blank" __removedlink__297372667__href="http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview&?&ncid=aolmbd00030000000139" title="http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview&?&ncid=aolmbd00030000000139">with AOL on your phone</a>. </div> </div> </div> </div>  <div id='u8CA94A03EB8ADDF-45C-C14' class='aol_ad_footer'><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Stay informed, get connected and more <A title="http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview&?&ncid=aolmbd00030000000139" href="http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-overview&?&ncid=aolmbd00030000000139" target="_blank">with AOL on your phone</A>. </div>