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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Best<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:14 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: CA Glue for pin blocks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thank you Fenton and everyone else for some great thinking!
This particular piano that I'm referencing has pins that are marginal in
my opinion whereas another tuner feels that they are fine. so from the
feedback that I am hearing it looks like CA is the way to go and I don't have
to worry about wrecking a recoverable pin block like I would if I used
Pin-Tite. This list is great! I think I'll stay a while.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 3, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Fenton Murray wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>IMO if a piano will not stay in tune because of loose pins,
re-stringing with out a new block would not be a wise move. In other words,
you've got nothing to loose by trying some CA. The only time I would re-string
an old block would be if the torque on the original pins was still good.</span><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Re: CA
Glue for pin blocks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Thank you to everyone for sharing your experience. My
concern is not so much whether it will work but rather whether will it destroy
a good pin block. I've seen too many pin blocks ruined by Pin Tite.
I guess my question is, if it doesn't work can I still go ahead and
re-pin? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>On Jun 3, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Matthew Todd wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>What consistency of CA do we
find works the best?</span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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<span class=apple-style-span><b><i>Dean May <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>I've never used CA glue on tuning pinns and wouldn't recoomend
doing so.. I know a technician who has with disasterous results.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:navy'>You should expand your sample. I bet for every tech you could come
up with that had disastrous results there are several dozen with excellent
results. My personal results with CA have been excellent.</span><span
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color:navy'>On the other hand, my personal results with Pin Tite have been
hugely disappointing. I found it to only work in 50% of the cases and in many
of those cases only for 2-4 years. You also find the old grands with severely
stained pin fields showing many applications of dope over the years. Those
pianos typically have very spongy pins and will respond very poorly to pin tite
treatment. They will, however, respond with excellent results to CA treatment.</span><span
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color:navy'>I suggest you try it! You’ll like it!<span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a
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<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, June 02,
2008 10:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Pianotech List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: CA Glue for
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Not you're not repeating yourself...<br>
I've never used CA glue on tuning pinns and wouldn't recoomend doing so.. I
know a technician who has with disasterous results. I use "Pin Tite"
myself to chemically treat pinblocks, and I must say it does wonders. It's
about $25-30 a bottle of 8oz and lasts for a few pianos. I have crossed a
Wurlitzer recently the owner told me that a technician used CA on it a bit
while ago, after trying to set the temperament I fully refused to tune the
piano, pins were jumping and every blow i gave a key, pin slipped...<br>
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From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
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Subject: CA Glue for pin blocks<br>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:04:16 -0700<br>
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I'm new to this list and I'm not sure if I sent this before I was actually
signed up. So I hope I'm not repeating myself. Has anybody had any
experience using CA glue on pin blocks and subsequently restringing? How
do the pins feel after a treatment? Do they jump? How long does it last?
And if they do start losing their hold after a few years, or if the job turns
out to be one of the 10% that doesn't work, can one still go back to simply
restringing?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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