<WBR>Paul<br> <br> You don't have to pay much for your name to be in the YP. You get one free line with the telephone company. You can ad a second or third line for not much more. Have the same ad in all three books. It will pay for itself. <br> <br> <div style="CLEAR: both">Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT<br> Piano Tuner/Technician<br> Honolulu, HI<br> 808-349-2943<br> www.bleespiano.com<br> Author of <br> The Business of Piano Tuning<br> available from Potter Press<br> www.pianotuning.com</div> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: paul bruesch <paul@bruesch.net><br> To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><br> Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 5:45 am<br> Subject: Re: Competitive Rates<br> <br> <div id=AOLMsgPart_2_101ea72c-6b55-4559-a717-71c1ae636d38>All true, but your 2 cents won't come close to paying for all the ads in all the YP books out there. How do you decide which YP book(s) to advertise in? I'm thinking a few people hang onto all of 'em, some people pick up most of 'em (in abraded, dripping wet plastic bags) out of their driveway and head straight for the recycle bin. <br> <br> Double trouble for me is living on a state line with a river forming the border. That actually TRIPLES the number of books... Twin Cities metro books, St. Croix Valley books, and Western Wisconsin books.  <br> <br> Paul Bruesch<br> Stillwater, MN<br> <br> <div class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Tom Servinsky <<A href="mailto:tompiano@bellsouth.net">tompiano@bellsouth.net</A>> wrote:<br> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <div><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>Historically, for me, it's been about 1-5%. Don't use the yellow pages with the hope of gaining loyal customers. You are likely to generate some business to pay for the add, and out of that a small percentage might remain loyal. For the most part the yp is designed for price shoppers and reference listings.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2> I  find that  yp is an excellent way of keeping your name in the public idea. There is nothing worse than a customer who has lost your phone number and can't find it. What's worse is if they look in the yp and you aren't listed. It gives the customer a sense that you aren't credible. I keep a simple listing which is free with any business phone number.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>As a normal policy I was always ask the new customers where they got my name. 90% of time  it's usually a referral from another customer. Every now then it's someone who is new to the area and looked in the yellow pages. Since my name begins with an S, I'm the last listing for tuners, which means they have gone through all of the numbers before they have gotten to my name, which usually makes me suspect.</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>My 2 cents</FONT></div> <div><FONT face="Century Schoolbook" size=2>Tom Servinsky</FONT></div> <div> <div></div> <div class=Wj3C7c> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title=wimblees@aol.com href="mailto:wimblees@aol.com">Willem Blees</A> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:17 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Competitive Rates</div> <div><br> </div> <div><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <div> </div> <div> <div>In a message dated 6/5/2008 9:55:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, <A href="mailto:toddpianoworks@att.net">toddpianoworks@att.net</A> writes:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <div>Can you guesstimate the customers you have gained based on your yp add?  I am talking about good clients, not price shoppers.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div>Matthew<br> </div> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></div> </FONT>Matthew<br> <br> YP ads should not be used to gain new members, as much as to keep "old" ones. Although you will get some new customers from the YP, especially those who move from other parts of the country and are looking for an RPT, (although many are now using the PTG web site), you should keep your name in the YP so that your "old" customers can find you. They may have lost your reminder card, or for some reason are not on your reminder list, so they should be able to look in the YP to find you. Also, about 25% of your customers move every year, so they might not get your reminder notices, or you will get a phone number that has been disconnected, (if you call your customers). 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