<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3354" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>If the keyslip has 3 or 4 screws holding, and warped into the center of the whites... Remove the centermost screws and with two pairs of plyers, bend them about 3/4" from the tips to about a 5 to 10 dergree. Insert them and watch the keyslip move in and out as they go in. When it's on the out swing leave it there. Usually just the center one will do the trick. No binding of the action shift. No screws? Drill and put one in the center and bend it. I've done it numerous times.</DIV> <DIV>Carlos Ralon, RPT.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: <A title=pianotech@nhpianos.com href="mailto:pianotech@nhpianos.com">Mark Dierauf</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:08 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: Keyslips making keys stick</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>I've been using one of the stainless, large-head thumbtacks left over from a Dampp-chaser under cover kit, inserted into the front of the keyframe wherever tight spots exist. Works great and since they're nice and slippery they don't interfere with the operation of the shift pedal. Warning: be careful with inferior thumbtacks! In fact it's probably better to tap them into place with a small hammer (I use my stringing T-handle for this and other small hammering jobs). I once had the back of the business end of a cheap thumbtack push through the back and pretty deep into my thumb when trying this trick - NEVER AGAIN! - Mark Dierauf Matthew Todd wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:%3C493324.29125.qm@web83823.mail.sp1.yahoo.com%3E type="cite"> <DIV>Can't you just shim with strips of veneer, or your business cards?  Seems a WHOLE lot easier.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Matthew A E <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk"><eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk></A> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"> <STYLE>.hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } </STYLE> Well Paul it seems mopst people never use una corda, and what i failed to mention is i ground the screw down with a file to make the ends sand top of it smooth (VERY SMOOTH), as well as a thin piece of either leather of felt on the keyslip where the screw might rub the slip, put plenty of teflon/dag/ or whatever else you might use to lubricate the parts... ive done this on numerous pianos if done right (it was trial and error) it seemed to work fine.... ive done this only on grands but to my imagination it will work even better on uprights...   Screws seem like a good idea too...     I hope this helps   Alicia <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> Subject: RE: Keyslips making keys stick From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu">pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu</A> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:00:11 -0500 Alicia, Wouldn't this screw cause a horrible grinding on the back of the keyslip (not to mention noise) and eventually gouge out the wood when using the una-corda pedal?  If this customer never uses the una-corda, then I guess it would work.   Another thought would be to drill extra screws in from the bottom of the keybed into the bottom of the keyslip like Baldwins and older M&H's to hold it rigid.  I've seen as many as 5 screws going into the slip from underneath....    {+    +    +    +     +} Paul <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%">A E <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk"><eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk></A> Sent by: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> 06/20/2008 10:12 AM <TABLE border=1> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD bgColor=white> <DIV align=center>Please respond to Pianotech List <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><pianotech@ptg.org></A></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </TD> <TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>To</DIV></TD> <TD>Pianotech List <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><pianotech@ptg.org></A> </TD></TR> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>cc</DIV></TD> <TD> </TD></TR> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>Subject</DIV></TD> <TD>RE: Keyslips making keys stick</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> </TD> <TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> >From my observation this happens in pianos with a "thin" keyslip, it seems only logic that it will bend or flex... or whatnot... I crossed a few pianos.. european pianos mainly that have a heavy solid keyslip (bout an inch thik), its never been a problem on such pianos... if its wood perhaps its humidity? About 3 weeks ago i had a problem (it was 96*F with 85% humidity) i was seriving a Bechstein, skinny keyslip.. its never been a problem, but the owner called me because the keyslip crowned inward and was jamming the keys... ive worked withthat piano for 2 years and its never been a problem... owner said that piano stood constantly next to an open window... so go figure.. i put a small screw into the front of the keyframe and adjusted it to keep a nice space... hope this helps... Alicia Evans <HR> From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:pmc033@earthlink.net">pmc033@earthlink.net</A>; <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> Subject: Re: Keyslips making keys stick Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:03:56 -0600 Hi Paul, A small screw placed at the bottom of the inside corner of a cheek block, will cant the front and outside of the block, so that the block will push the key slip out away from the keys. Advantage is that it also keeps the block firmly against the outside arm and is fairly quickly adjustable. Joe Goss RPT Mother Goose Tools <A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com" moz-do-not-send="true">imatunr@srvinet.com</A> <A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com/" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">www.mothergoosetools.com</A> ----- Original Message ----- From: <A href="mailto:pmc033@earthlink.net" moz-do-not-send="true">Paul McCloud</A> To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Pianotech List</A> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Keyslips making keys stick Hi, Paul: I've seen a lot of this kind of binding with the keyslip.  Especially in said brand.  I used to move the keyframe backward (yeah, I know.  The optimum strike point is lost).  At least the piano would play again.  What really needed to be done was to plug and redrill the dowel pins in the cheek blocks and move the blocks forward a few mm's.  Sometimes I put felt strips on the front of the cheek blocks to shim out the keyslip.  Usually, on the newer grands, the cheek block has a notch which engages the keyslip and holds it.  I've tried shimming up the bottom rear edge of the keyslip, but that does nothing.  I've sometimes also added a small screw to the front of the cheek block, which can be used to adjust the keyslip without shims.  I also sometimes sand the ends of the keyslip so it will fit without binding on the inside of the arms.  Not a huge deal but annoying and time consuming to remedy.  Welcome to the club.     Paul McCloud, RPT     San Diego   Paul McCloud Service Technician for PianoSD.com <A href="http://www.pianoservsd.com/" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">www.pianoservsd.com</A> Created with free BlueVoda software: <A href="http://www.vodahost.com/partner/idevaffiliate.php?id=9223_1_3_9" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.vodahost.com/partner/idevaffiliate.php?id=9223_1_3_9</A>       ----- Original Message ----- From: <A href="mailto:paul@bruesch.net" moz-do-not-send="true">paul bruesch</A> To: <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" moz-do-not-send="true">Pianotech List</A> Sent: 06/19/2008 10:06:57 PM Subject: Keyslips making keys stick I've noticed a number of keyslips that bow (crown?) and/or tilt towards the key fronts, thus causing keys to stick down when played. Today I visited a YC TG150 baby with this problem.  I had pulled the action in it just over a month ago and all was well when I left that day. Today, I could hardly get the keyslip out (or back in), the ends were binding so tightly against the sides... much, MUCH harder than last month.   I've shimmed a couple of these out now with front rail felts which results in a nice even gap, but I curious why I'm seeing so many of these lately. At least 50% are on pianos that I either have not seen or at least not removed the keyslip in the past. The one I did two days ago had a folded up business card (current owner's mom's tuner's card from 20 years ago) already in there. I've only been tuning for about 3-1/2 years, and I see more pianos these days, but the incidence seems to be picking up not! iceably. Is this such a common problem in general? I'm thinking that today's was possibly caused by increased humidity, except I believe there was a thread recently that mentioned that expansion isn't really an issue along the grain... and come to think of it, I don't believe that this keyslip is "wood" anyhow. Thoughts? Paul Bruesch Stillwater, MN <HR> Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? <A href="http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true">Get Messenger on your Mobile!</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Messenger's gone Mobile! <A href="http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/" target=_new moz-do-not-send="true">Get it now!</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>