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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>How about a plastic keytop glued to the inside of the
keyslip. Quiet and it won't slip out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Phil Frankenberg<BR>CSUChico<BR>Chico, Ca.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:15 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Keyslips making keys
stick</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>well if someone uses the una corda as much as i do the cards
will eventually slip out.... same with felt punchings... constant movement of
keyframe and out they go..... been there tried it didnt work too well... i
dont charge anything for the screw and felt thing as it takes just a few mins
to do, a lil screw and some felt glued to the slip... im just saying from MY
experience it wound up to be most effective... and no one has
complained...<BR> <BR>Alicia<BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:10:13 -0700<BR>From:
tvaktvak@sbcglobal.net<BR>Subject: RE: Keyslips making keys stick<BR>To:
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><BR>Not as effective...hmmm.... In what way is a
screw and leather MORE effective?<BR><BR>The keyslip needs to be kept away
from the keys. Something needs to be put in between the front of the
key frame and the keyslip. Something that will keep the keyslip from
bending inward. I've seen paper punchings glued to the keyframe
that do the job. I've seen felt punchings there. I've seen
business cards glued or simply put in place between the keyslip and keyframe
that do the job.<BR><BR>They all do the job. They are equally
effective. Are they not? <BR><BR>And from the customer's point
of view, what is the cost of these various systems? I do not charge
anything to fold my business card twice and drop it in place because it
takes me about two minutes. My customers are perfectly happy
with solution, since their keys no longer get stuck on the keyslip.
<BR><BR>How much does your customer pay for your screw and felt/leather?
<BR><BR>Tom Sivak<BR>Chicago<BR><BR><B><I>A E
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been there tried it ... not as effective as screw and felt/leather...
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:06:22 -0700<BR>From:
toddpianoworks@att.net<BR>Subject: RE: Keyslips making keys stick<BR>To:
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><BR>
<DIV>Can't you just shim with strips of veneer, or your business
cards? Seems a WHOLE lot easier.</DIV>
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<DIV>Matthew<BR><BR><B><I>A E <eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk></I></B>
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Well Paul it seems mopst people never use una corda, and what i failed
to mention is i ground the screw down with a file to make the ends
sand top of it smooth (VERY SMOOTH), as well as a thin piece of either
leather of felt on the keyslip where the screw might rub the slip, put
plenty of teflon/dag/ or whatever else you might use to lubricate the
parts... ive done this on numerous pianos if done right (it was trial
and error) it seemed to work fine.... ive done this only on grands but
to my imagination it will work even better on uprights...
<BR> <BR>Screws seem like a good idea
too...<BR> <BR> <BR>I hope this
helps<BR> <BR>Alicia<BR><BR><BR>
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To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: RE: Keyslips making keys
stick<BR>From: pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu<BR>Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008
15:00:11 -0500<BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Alicia,</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Wouldn't
this screw cause a horrible grinding on the back of the keyslip (not
to mention noise) and eventually gouge out the wood when using the
una-corda pedal? If this customer never uses the una-corda,
then I guess it would work. </FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>Another thought would be to drill extra
screws in from the bottom of the keybed into the bottom of the
keyslip like Baldwins and older M&H's to hold it rigid.
I've seen as many as 5 screws going into the slip from
underneath.... {+ + +
+ +}</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Paul</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
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face=Tahoma size=2>>From my observation this happens in pianos
with a "thin" keyslip, it seems only logic that it will bend or
flex... or whatnot... I crossed a few pianos.. european pianos
mainly that have a heavy solid keyslip (bout an inch thik), its
never been a problem on such pianos... if its wood perhaps its
humidity?<BR>About 3 weeks ago i had a problem (it was 96*F with 85%
humidity) i was seriving a Bechstein, skinny keyslip.. its never
been a problem, but the owner called me because the keyslip crowned
inward and was jamming the keys... ive worked withthat piano for 2
years and its never been a problem... owner said that piano stood
constantly next to an open window... so go figure.. i put a small
screw into the front of the keyframe and adjusted it to keep a nice
space...<BR><BR>hope this helps...<BR><BR>Alicia
Evans<BR><BR></FONT><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2>From: imatunr@srvinet.com<BR>To:
pmc033@earthlink.net; pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: Re: Keyslips
making keys stick<BR>Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:03:56
-0600<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Paul,</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>A small screw placed at the bottom of
the inside corner of a cheek block, will cant the front and outside
of the block,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>so that the block
will push the key slip out away from the keys. Advantage is that it
also keeps the block firmly against the outside arm and is fairly
quickly adjustable.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Joe Goss
RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools</FONT><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue
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face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:pmc033@earthlink.net"><FONT face=Tahoma color=blue
size=2><U>Paul McCloud</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>
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</FONT><BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 19,
2008 11:16 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Keyslips making keys stick</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi, Paul:</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>I've seen a lot of this kind of binding
with the keyslip. Especially in said brand. I used to
move the keyframe backward (yeah, I know. The optimum strike
point is lost). At least the piano would play again.
What really needed to be done was to plug and redrill the
dowel pins in the cheek blocks and move the blocks forward a few
mm's. Sometimes I put felt strips on the front of the cheek
blocks to shim out the keyslip. Usually, on the newer grands,
the cheek block has a notch which engages the keyslip and holds it.
I've tried shimming up the bottom rear edge of the keyslip,
but that does nothing. I've sometimes also added a small screw
to the front of the cheek block, which can be used to adjust the
keyslip without shims. I also sometimes sand the ends of the
keyslip so it will fit without binding on the inside of the
arms.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> Not a huge deal but
annoying and time consuming to remedy. Welcome to the
club.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> Paul
McCloud, RPT</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> San
Diego</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT
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size=2><B>Sent:</B> 06/19/2008 10:06:57 PM </FONT><BR><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><B>Subject:</B> Keyslips making keys stick</FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>I've noticed a number of keyslips
that bow (crown?) and/or tilt towards the key fronts, thus causing
keys to stick down when played. <BR><BR>Today I visited a YC TG150
baby with this problem. I had pulled the action in it just
over a month ago and all was well when I left that day. Today, I
could hardly get the keyslip out (or back in), the ends were binding
so tightly against the sides... much, MUCH harder than last month.
<BR><BR>I've shimmed a couple of these out now with front rail
felts which results in a nice even gap, but I curious why I'm seeing
so many of these lately. At least 50% are on pianos that I either
have not seen or at least not removed the keyslip in the past. The
one I did two days ago had a folded up business card (current
owner's mom's tuner's card from 20 years ago) already in
there.<BR><BR>I've only been tuning for about 3-1/2 years, and I see
more pianos these days, but the incidence seems to be picking up
not! iceably. Is this such a common problem in general? I'm thinking
that today's was possibly caused by increased humidity, except I
believe there was a thread recently that mentioned that expansion
isn't really an issue along the grain... and come to think of it, I
don't believe that this keyslip is "wood"
anyhow.<BR><BR>Thoughts?<BR>Paul Bruesch<BR>Stillwater,
MN<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><BR></FONT>
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