<html> <head> <style> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } </style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'> Ill second what Andre says, broken plates, ive crossed 4 so far, why... whats wrong with them?<BR> There was an exception however, crossed an Ernst Kap that had a few hairline cracks here and there, and one of the struts was cracked half way thrue... heres where it gets rediculous.. the owner askedme id be willing to weld the crack shut ... again.. apparently according to her hubby someone has attempted before YEARS ago but she couldnt show me the exact spot.... Ideas?<BR>  <BR> Alicia Evans<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:03:06 -0700<BR>From: rpsochs@yahoo.com<BR>Subject: Re: Ernst Kap grand<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR><BR> <META content="Microsoft SafeHTML" name=Generator> <STYLE> .ExternalClass DIV {;} </STYLE> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> <DIV>Thanks everyone for your input on the Ernst Kap grand.<BR><BR>Ron Ochs<BR><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Masterwork Pianos</SPAN><BR>(541) 273-1663<BR>ron@masterworkpianos.com<BR></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif"><BR> <DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: "pianotech-request@ptg.org" <pianotech-request@ptg.org><BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:00:29 AM<BR>Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1300, Issue 134<BR><BR>Send Pianotech mailing list submissions to<BR>    <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>    <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target=_blank>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A><BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>    <A href="mailto:pianotech-request@ptg.org">pianotech-request@ptg.org</A><BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>    <A href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</A><BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Pianotech digest..."<BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>  1. Re: Ernst Kaps grand (andr? oorebeek)<BR> <DIV><BR><BR>-----Inline Message Follows-----<BR><BR> <DIV>In spite of the name 'Pantzer Platte', most of the Ernst Kaps piano's I've come across had broken iron frames.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>friendly greetings</DIV> <DIV>from</DIV> <DIV>André Oorebeek</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Jurgen Goering wrote:</DIV><BR class=EC_Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>Any large, heavy plate is sometimes referred to as "Panzer Platte" in German.<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>If it were cast out of a higher grade, more expensive steel, it would surely be designated "Stahl Platte", to set it apart from a<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>"Guss Platte" (cast iron plate).<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>So much for the language and terminology.</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT: 12px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>But who knows exactly what Kaps' plate were made of?<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>One definite answer would be the results of a lab test of a piece of the plate...<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 10px Verdana" face=Verdana size=2>Jurgen Goering</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 12px; FONT: 10px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT: 12px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>On Jun 26, 2008, at 15:08, John Delacour wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>At 11:40 -0700 26/6/08, Jurgen Goering wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>..."Panzer", by the way means nothing more than "strong, protective plate" aka "armored". (Think turtles and bank vaults.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>Perhaps Kaps used that term in connection with full piano plates as opposed to 3/4 plates?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT: 12px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>It could also be that the frames were made of cast steel rather than cast iron.<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>About the turn of the century Broadwood's grand frames were of cast steel, including, I think, the frame for the barless grands.<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>Such a frame would, I think, be extremely tough and very expensive to produce compared with the usual grey iron casting.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>JD</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR class=EC_khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><BR class=EC_khtml-block-placeholder></DIV><BR class=EC_Apple-interchange-newline></SPAN></SPAN><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <DIV><BR></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>Pianotech list info <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target=_blank>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A> <DIV>In spite of the name 'Pantzer Platte', most of the Ernst Kaps piano's I've come across had broken iron frames.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>friendly greetings</DIV> <DIV>from</DIV> <DIV>André Oorebeek</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Jurgen Goering wrote:</DIV><BR class=EC_Apple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>Any large, heavy plate is sometimes referred to as "Panzer Platte" in German.<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>If it were cast out of a higher grade, more expensive steel, it would surely be designated "Stahl Platte", to set it apart from a<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>"Guss Platte" (cast iron plate).<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>So much for the language and terminology.</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT: 12px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>But who knows exactly what Kaps' plate were made of?<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>One definite answer would be the results of a lab test of a piece of the plate...<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 10px Verdana" face=Verdana size=2>Jurgen Goering</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 12px; FONT: 10px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT: 12px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>On Jun 26, 2008, at 15:08, John Delacour wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>At 11:40 -0700 26/6/08, Jurgen Goering wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>..."Panzer", by the way means nothing more than "strong, protective plate" aka "armored". (Think turtles and bank vaults.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>Perhaps Kaps used that term in connection with full piano plates as opposed to 3/4 plates?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 15px; FONT: 12px Verdana"><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>It could also be that the frames were made of cast steel rather than cast iron.<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>About the turn of the century Broadwood's grand frames were of cast steel, including, I think, the frame for the barless grands.<SPAN class=EC_Apple-converted-space>  </SPAN>Such a frame would, I think, be extremely tough and very expensive to produce compared with the usual grey iron casting.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 12px Verdana" face=Verdana size=3>JD</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR class=EC_khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV><BR class=EC_khtml-block-placeholder></DIV><BR class=EC_Apple-interchange-newline></SPAN></SPAN><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><SPAN class=EC_Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Verdana; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"> <DIV><BR></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><br /><hr />Messenger's gone Mobile! <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now!</a></body> </html>