Take this crap off list if you don't mind.... <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks@att.net> Sent by: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org 07/01/2008 03:45 PM <table border> <tr valign=top> <td bgcolor=white> <div align=center>Please respond to Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org></div></table> <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td>Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>RE: Wives tales ... violin tuning</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> Please Alicia,   Cut the idol threats, they don't impress me.  Please move on, sheesh!!     Matthew A E <eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: To me her playing is perfect and im entitled to it!!! perfection is in eyes of beholder... Matt, if u dont cut out responding to my messages with as u say "bait", and whatever else ur trying to do, ur going to be made a chump of in this list.. just a warning... ive got a sharp tongue and im not afraid to use it, so please, im asking u nicely, if u have nothing nice or practical to say about what i write, dont write at all! im sure everyone else understood what i mean, and i will not dignify a perfon who sends me messages in manner u do with an explanation! Good day <hr>Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:51:03 -0700 From: toddpianoworks@att.net Subject: RE: Wives tales ... violin tuning To: pianotech@ptg.org No Alicia, can you explain yourself a little better? (lol)   Matthew   PS  Being perfect to you still doesn't make Ms. Argerich perfect.  Come on Alicia, quit taking the bait and move on. A E <eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: We'll agree to disagree Matt, but your geting on my last nerve with your responses because some of them, well, you remind me of a  20 year old guy, who just sits there and replies justfor the sake of it.... Sorry... Perfection IS in eyes of beholder, and heres why..... some people like Martha Argerich, some people love her music, some people hate her music, I think the way she plays is flawless in every piece ive heard, and as far as I'm concerned with music shes perfect.. im the beholder and perfect TO ME... and i could care less what anyone else thinks. because i worry about ME first. am i making myself clear at all? Alicia <hr>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:42:20 -0700 From: toddpianoworks@att.net Subject: RE: Wives tales ... violin tuning To: pianotech@ptg.org Alicia,   Perfection is not in the eyes of the beholder, sorry.  You are perfect, or you are not.  Saying "no one is perfect" is safe to say for everyone in this world, including you Alicia.  Knowing what people can and cannot do has nothing to do with this.  People have different talents.  I can operate a skil saw very well, but I still have to use a guide to get a perfectly straight cut.  The most amazing concert pianists practice ALL day.  If they were perfect, there would be no need for them to practice.   You naming the notes as your friends played it is still relative pitch.   As for your friend...telling you how sharp or flat a note within 1 to 2 cents is still not perfect.   Matthew A E <eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: I messed around with my friends before who are tied down in musical field, they randomly pressed keys on my piano and 9 out of10 i got it spot on... a few years ago i had a friend (may he rest in peace) who could tell  u exactly how sharp of flat the note was, and get it withing 1-2 cents.... there is such a thing i think.... it comes with experience, and knowing ur instrument... or in my case probably sheeer dumb luck...! U cant speak for everyone in this world Matt, u dont know what people can and can not do.. as for human perfection... well in that case, perfection is in the eyes of the beholder, and no one else matteres... Alicia <hr>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:57:58 -0700 From: toddpianoworks@att.net Subject: Re: Wives tales ... violin tuning To: pianotech@ptg.org There is no such thing as PERFECT pitch, only relative pitch.  It someone had perfect pitch, it would mean it would have to be perfect, and besides Jesus Christ, I have yet to see a human that was perfect.  If indeed this customer had perfect pitch, they could be able to tell you that the note was four cents flat.  But because she said the note sounded like a "d", it is relative.   Matthew Richard Brekne <ricb@pianostemmer.no> wrote: Yes... a good sense of relative pitch memory is an interesting thing indeed. Its just that it would be best for all concerned if it were kept better in perspective... i.e. words like Perfect and Absolute left out of it. Severely extreme cases of pitch sensitivity are more a handicap then an asset. Fortunately... there are very very few on this planet that actually suffer to that degree....and correspondingly few that could with any hint of justification fnyss at someone else for erring <> pitchwise. Cheers RicB I had a customer a few days ago, whose piano I tuned 2 years ago. She played some notes and said how flat they were...the piano in general sounded reasonable. I got started and the piano was indeed about 4 cents flat and 7 in the treble. When done I asked her if she had perfect pitch...wasn't sure. I played a D and she said that sounded like a D...pretty cool... 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