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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks.&nbsp; I will forward it to the list.&nbsp; </span></font></p>

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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
  color:navy'>David</span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span
 style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'> Love</span></font><font size=2
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davidlovepianos@comcast.net<br>
www.davidlovepianos.com</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
   face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>David</span></font><font
  size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> G.
  Hughes</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
 font-family:Tahoma'>, RPT</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
[mailto:davidghughesrpt@comcast.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 02, 2008
9:20 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Pianotech List</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> davidlovepianos@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: perfect pitch
defined/Hughes Reply</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font size=3 color=red
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I LOVE you for composing and posting this. I have always cringed upon hearing
the term &quot;perfect pitch&quot;.</span></font></b></strong></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font size=3 color=red
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Your definitions and explanations are </span></font></b></strong><em><b><i><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red;font-weight:bold'>perfect</span></font></i></b></em><strong><b><font
color=red face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>. Permit me one
suggestion to the entire musical community: we drop the term perfect pitch and
substitute it with &quot;pitch (or note) recognition&quot;. This is, after all,
what we're talking about. There never has nor will there ever be anything perfect
about musical pitch.</span></font></b></strong></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I don't know how to post messages to the PTG list. If you could do so for me
with this response I'd be most appreciative.</span></font></b></strong></p>

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Many thanks.</span></font></b></strong></p>

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Dave Hughes, RPT&nbsp;</span></font></b></strong></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From: &quot;David Love&quot; &lt;</span></font><a
href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>davidlovepianos@comcast.net</span></font></a><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>To: &quot;'Pianotech List'&quot;
&lt;</span></font><a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>pianotech@ptg.org</span></font></a><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:43
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Subject: RE: perfect pitch defined</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt; This whole thing of relative
versus perfect pitch is getting a bit<br>
&gt; convoluted.&nbsp; Now we even have some using the term &quot;relative
perfect pitch&quot;<br>
&gt; (a bit of an oxymoron).&nbsp; As someone pointed out, perfect pitch simply
refers<br>
&gt; to pitch memory, like the ability to identify a color, one who possesses<br>
&gt; &quot;perfect&quot; or &quot;absolute&quot; pitch can identify a pitch
when heard in isolation.<br>
&gt; There appears to be a strong genetic component for this ability but it
seems<br>
&gt; to also have a critical period for development (like certain language<br>
&gt; skills).&nbsp; Claims that you can teach yourself &quot;perfect
pitch&quot; are bogus.&nbsp; The<br>
&gt; accuracy of so called perfect pitch is another matter.&nbsp; A person who
has<br>
&gt; this ability generally can't identify or hear the difference between A440<br>
&gt; and A339 or A442 for that matter.&nbsp; They simply hear the three notes
as an A.<br>
&gt; Those who are musicians (and not all those who possess this ability are)<br>
&gt; might very well have a strong sense of flat or sharp based on their own<br>
&gt; intimate sense of their instrument.&nbsp; Many violinists, for example,
can hear<br>
&gt; differences within their own instrument if it is tuned slightly sharp or<br>
&gt; slightly flat.&nbsp; One assumes that the subtle difference in the quality
of<br>
&gt; sound at different tension levels accounts for that.&nbsp; Woodwind
players can<br>
&gt; often hear the difference as well and in both cases having perfect pitch<br>
&gt; doesn't seem to be a prerequisite.&nbsp; I doubt whether they could tell
you<br>
&gt; exact cents deviations.&nbsp; Pianists, in my experience<font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>,</span></font> don't experience<br>
&gt; differences in tuning the same way.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is an ongoing study
at UCSF<br>
&gt; (University of California San Francisco Medical School) on this very
subject<br>
&gt; (perfect pitch, absolute pitch, pitch memory--however you choose to call
it)<br>
&gt; with extensive testing done on these individuals who have it and who claim<br>
&gt; to have it.&nbsp; I know the scientist in charge of the study and have had
many<br>
&gt; lengthy conversations about her findings.&nbsp; It's really quite
interesting<br>
&gt; should anyone wish to look into it.&nbsp; I don't know how much of the
study is<br>
&gt; actually published.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Relative pitch, on the other hand, is a learned skill and refers to the<br>
&gt; ability to identify any particular note after being given a reference
note.<br>
&gt; Most well trained musicians have relative pitch, or should.&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The term &quot;relative perfect pitch&quot; makes no sense in this
context.&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; David Love<br>
&gt; </span></font><a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>davidlovepianos@comcast.net</span></font></a><br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt; </span></font><a
href="http://www.davidlovepianos.com"><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>www.davidlovepianos.com</span></font></a><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <br>
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