<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16674" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Julia,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Try saying "Mary had a appendectomy". Mary had a (4) appendectomy (5).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fenton</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tcole@cruzio.com href="mailto:tcole@cruzio.com">Thomas Cole</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:15 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tuning Source Book/Test: hints #2 & #18</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial>Julia,<BR><BR>The way this 4:5 ratio method of comparing contiguous M3s works is that you listen to the speed of the lower M3. Start marking every fourth beat by beating on the stretcher or wherever. Then continue that steady beat with your hand and start counting up to 5 within that same time frame. The next higher contiguous M3 should beat similarly. No math need be done.<BR><BR>In practice, you learn to detect this 25% increase in beat speed without doing the counting routine.<BR><BR>I have no idea what is meant by #2.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Tom Cole<BR></FONT><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:KeyKat88@aol.com">KeyKat88@aol.com</A> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=midd10.2d26ae85.359e45c7@aol.com type="cite"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV>  <DIV>Greetings,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>        In hint #2 it claims that you dont want to tune a piano with it muted to single string for the first time in an exam room. What is so unnerving/bad about that, aside from just not being used to it? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>        In hint #18 it says that you should learn to hear 4:5 ratios on contiguous M3's by counting 1 2 3 4 and compare to 1 2 3 4 5.  How does one go about hearing beat rates while doing/counting this? Is the Source Book implying that the contiguous M3 from A2 to C#3 is 4BPS and the next M3 from C#3 to F3 is 5BPS?  If the <EM>beat</EM> rate in higher pairs of M3's are more than 4 or 5 BPS, say 6 or more than do you have to do the math to arrive what the contiguous M3 above it should beat like?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Also, has a tuner ever passed this exam <EM>without</EM> the skill of knowing how to handle/count the 4:5 ratio? Not that I am not willing to learn it but, that will take time and I have concentrated since inception of tuning on 5ths, 4ths, 3rds, 6ths, octaves and other tests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thanks in advance,</DIV> <DIV>Julia</DIV> <DIV>Reading, PA</DIV><BR><BR><BR></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL,SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: "> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient <A title=http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007 href="http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007" target=_blank>used cars</A>.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>