<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <title>Re: Customising a piano</title> </head> <body> I did not know the ballistol was in Goose Juice... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 <div style="padding-right: 5px; padding-left: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px; border-left: #000000 3px solid; padding-top: 5px"> <hr/>Original message From: "J Patrick Draine" <jpdraine@gmail.com> </jpdraine@gmail.com> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org> </pianotech@ptg.org> Received: 7/3/2008 5:44:12 PM Subject: Re: Customising a piano A E & list, Hoppe's ingredients: INGREDIENTS NAME CAS NUMBER CONCENTRATION BY % VOLUME Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Petroleum Oil 64742-52-5 >85% Polyalpha-olefin 66070-54-0 <10% Proprietary Additive Proprietary <10% Possibly A E chose to use this having heard of the use of ballistol, which has been used in Europe in lubricating action parts. It's also a component of Mother Goose's Goose Juice. >From Wikipedia: Ballistol (meaning 'Ballistic Oil') is a <a title="Mineral oil" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil" target="_blank">mineral oil</a>-based chemical which advertises that it has many uses. It was originally intended for cleaning, lubricating, and protecting <a title="Firearms" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms" target="_blank">firearms</a>. The product originated from <a title="Germany" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany" target="_blank">Germany</a> before <a title="World War 2" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_2" target="_blank">World War 2</a>, after the military requested an 'all-around' oil and cleaner for their rifles and equipment. The chemical is a yellowish clear liquid with a consistency expected of a light oil. However, when it comes in contact with water it <a title="Emulsion" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulsion" target="_blank">emulsifies</a>, becoming a thick creamy white substance. It has a sweet and mildly pungent smell similar to black <a title="Licorice" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licorice" target="_blank">licorice</a>. It is distributed in liquid and <a title="Aerosol" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol" target="_blank">aerosol</a> forms. The aerosol uses <a title="Butane" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butane" target="_blank">butane</a> or <a title="Propane" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane" target="_blank">propane</a> as a <a title="Propellant" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propellant" target="_blank">propellant</a>. One of its selling points is that it is not <a title="Petro-chemical" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-chemical" target="_blank">petro-chemical</a> based, and uses biodegradable ingredients. It also advertises it has no <a title="Carcinogen" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen" target="_blank">carcinogens</a>. Some other similar chemicals contain petro-chemicals which can pollute the environment if improperly handled, and can damage the 'seasoning' developed on the bore of a black-powder gun. <a style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" name="11aeb79a1646b57d_Ingredients"> </a> <h2 style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 150%; padding-bottom: 0.17em; margin: 0px 0px 0.6em; color: black; padding-top: 0.5em; border-bottom: rgb(170,170,170) 1px solid">[<a title="Edit section: Ingredients" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ballistol&action=edit&section=1" target="_blank">edit</a>]Ingredients</h2> (according to a specification from December 2002) <ul style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.5em; line-height: 1.5em; padding-top: 0px; list-style-type: square"> <li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em">pharmaceutical <a title="White oil" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_oil" target="_blank">White oil</a>: CAS RN 8042-47-5 </li> <li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em"><a title="Oleic acid" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid" target="_blank">Oleic acid</a>: CAS RN 112-80-1 </li> <li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em">C-5 alcohols: CAS RN 78-83-1; CAS RN 137-32-6; CAS RN 100-51-6</li> <li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em">different essential oils to perfume Ballistol</li> </ul> <a style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" name="11aeb79a1646b57d_References"> </a> <h2 style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 150%; padding-bottom: 0.17em; margin: 0px 0px 0.6em; color: black; padding-top: 0.5em; border-bottom: rgb(170,170,170) 1px solid">[<a title="Edit section: References" style="color: rgb(0,43,184); text-decoration: none" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ballistol&action=edit&section=2" target="_blank">edit</a>] </h2>  As someone has already noted, WD-40 is a lubricant which was used by piano technicians in an earlier era; it loosened things up for a while but eventually got gummy, caused parts to freeze up, and soaked into the wood as well -- essentially ruining everything it came into contact with. It's appropriate for use on metal parts. Patrick Draine <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM, A E <<a href="mailto:eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk" target="_blank">eve_ane@hotmail.co.uk</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: #ccc 1px solid"> <div>Ive used the lube for guns for years now and it worked only marvels in my piano, its only thing that keeps it functioning comfortably...   Alicia</div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html>