<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV>Greetings,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>    Thanks for clarifying this! ,,,Happy 4th!</DIV> <DIV>THANKS</DIV> <DIV>Julia</DIV> <DIV>Reading, PA</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 7/3/2008 11:52:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nelsong@intune88.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV>Regarding the beat rate of contiguous M3ds - the idea is to use the lower notes like A2 C#3 so the beat rates are slower and easier to count. Start with A2-C#3 and count 4 - establish your own beat speed - tap your foot and count 4 beats in whatever time interval that is comfortable for you. Then shift to the next M2 C#3-F3 and you will be able to count 5 beats within the interval that you have previously established for 4 beats. This proves the 4:5 ratio. All contiguous M3ds above that will have the same 4:5 ratio but they get so fast that counting is impossible but you can still hear their character and identify weather or not they are spaced correct.</DIV> <DIV>If you have a tuning sequence that works for you I would stick with it but it always helps to add to it and the contiguous M3ds are a great way to help put it all together.</DIV> <DIV>Gene Nelson</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:KeyKat88@aol.com href="mailto:KeyKat88@aol.com">KeyKat88@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:09 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Tuning Source Book/Test: hints #2 & #18</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV>  <DIV>Greetings,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>        In hint #2 it claims that you dont want to tune a piano with it muted to single string for the first time in an exam room. What is so unnerving/bad about that, aside from just not being used to it? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>        In hint #18 it says that you should learn to hear 4:5 ratios on contiguous M3's by counting 1 2 3 4 and compare to 1 2 3 4 5.  How does one go about hearing beat rates while doing/counting this? Is the Source Book implying that the contiguous M3 from A2 to C#3 is 4BPS and the next M3 from C#3 to F3 is 5BPS?  If the <EM>beat</EM> rate in higher pairs of M3's are more than 4 or 5 BPS, say 6 or more than do you have to do the math to arrive what the contiguous M3 above it should beat like?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  Also, has a tuner ever passed this exam <EM>without</EM> the skill of knowing how to handle/count the 4:5 ratio? Not that I am not willing to learn it but, that will take time and I have concentrated since inception of tuning on 5ths, 4ths, 3rds, 6ths, octaves and other tests.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thanks in advance,</DIV> <DIV>Julia</DIV> <DIV>Reading, PA</DIV><BR><BR><BR></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR> <DIV><FONT style="FONT: 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF; COLOR: black"> <HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px"> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient <A title=http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007 href="http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007" target=_blank>used cars</A>.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style="color: black; font: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px">Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient <A title="http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007" href="http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007" target="_blank">used cars</A>.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>