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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Simply saw green and stopped using any Ballistol on
centerpins.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Use Ballistol on high friction points Trap works, hanger
brackets, anything leather, etc.<BR>When Ballistol dries it becomes more and
more like a gum. Any oil will.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Any thinner oil will cut a thicker oil product.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>When getting ready to wash up for dinner, after working on
an old grimmey combine,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>we would first use motor oil to clean our hands, wiping
off our hands on a gunny sack then </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>head to the wash basin ( outside, as we wrer so dirty )
and wash up for dinner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The thing that I try to do is limit the ammount of
residual that will be left. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This is done by using the thinnest mixture
possible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A
href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David
Ilvedson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 04, 2008 3:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Ballistol and other
lubricants</DIV>
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<P>I didn't like that dropper as it leaked in my kit. Maybe your's
is better made? Looks like German made...</P>
<P>For generations ballistol was a good choice for centers. Protek
and Goose Juice are better...imho How is it, that Joe Goss had
problems with Goose Juice +? Maybe Joe can fill us in on it
again...at this time, he's not selling Ballistol as a center
lubricant...<BR><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, CA 94044<BR><BR></P>
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Original message<BR>From: "Gregor _"
<KARLKAPUTT@HOTMAIL.COM> </KARLKAPUTT@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>To:
pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Received: 7/4/2008 3:39:52 AM<BR>Subject: Ballistol and
other lubricants<BR><BR>
<P align=left>Using Ballistol as lubricant for action center pins is okay. I
have no idea about its ingredients but the reason why nearly all German piano
techs use it since generations is that it does not gum after a while. Most of
my German collegues use a tool like this for applying only one drop of
it:<BR><BR>http://www.manufactum.de/Produkt/0/753674/TropfenoelerAluminium.html?suchbegriff=%F6ler<BR><BR>One
year ago, me too I used it for center pins, but in the meantime I use only
Protec CLP anymore. I have 2 of these oilers in my toolcase, one with
Protec and one with Ballistol. Ballistol (and now Protec) are the only one
lubricants which are accepted here in Germany for center pins. With one
exception: your own hair grease (not kidding). When replacing a ceter pin, I
pull the new pin through my hair which makes the pin getting "lubricated". And
no, I am not the hippie type with greasy long hair.<BR><BR>Compairing
Ballistol with Protec I must admit that Protec just works much better. But I
never had problems with Ballistol.<BR><BR>Concerning ballance rail and front
rail pins: most German techs use deer tallow /stag fat because itīs supposed
not to gum, too. I rub a very small portion of it between thumb and index
finger and apply only a very very thin layer on the pins. But never do it when
the bushings are made of leather. Never apply any liquid or any grease on
leather. But here too, there is one exception: you may use "nose fat" (and
again: not kidding): sometimes the leather of the hammer butt is too harsh so
that the jack comes not back easy enough. Some grease could help, but as
mentioned: never apply grease on leather in pianos. So here comes the trick:
rub your index finger left or right from your nose. You will feel that this
part of your face is a little greasier than other parts. Then rub your finger
on the hammer butt leather. And no, I am not the teenage type like these
teenagers from Kentucky Fried Movie where teenage faces are used to get oil
from.<BR><BR>Gregor<BR><BR></P>
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